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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have a great

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show for you this evening I do have to

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tell you right off the bat though

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Alejandro Rojas is generally on with us

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during UFO updates and he has just been

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crazy busy so he didn't he usually

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records his show and I help him out on

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Mondays and he was even too busy to do

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that so he's been running around a lot

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of changes in his life and so he if all

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goes well he'll be back next week as

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usual I do want to say if you are a

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supporter of the show first of all I

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want to thank you very much for that it

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really helps us run there are a lot of

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show expenses and and we are in the

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black which is nice I do want to say a

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shout out to Nicolas from London thank

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you for supporting the show and I say

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that because he actually wrote me an

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email said hey can you do a shout out

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and I want to leave that open for anyone

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that supports the show if you'd like me

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to do a shout out with your name I would

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be glad to do that there are so many

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people that help out there's Keith over

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at the Dark Matter digital network I've

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been on there I think I'm the longest

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running show over there

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there's race Hobbs over here at kgr a

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radio there's Evan who creates the

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graphic thumbnails for YouTube there are

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there's Peggy who runs the Facebook page

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and the countless people help me with

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little tidbits as Palmer sends me

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interesting UFO reports all the time and

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there's I don't want to forget Charles

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Lear who writes great blogs and we do

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have a blog up of this week and it's

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about historic monuments including our

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first guest tonight Kathleen Mardan and

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includes her aunt and her uncle's

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historic marker on the Betty and Barney

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Hill case which is I think it's out and

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in just a minute where it's actually

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located so it's about historic markers

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when it comes to UFOs as Thomas Reid I

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know the Pascagoula case has now a

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plaque art there but it talks about that

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so check that out over at podcast UFO

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calm anyone else that wants to support

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the show we are now on patreon and I've

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discovered now would have done this

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originally I would have gone just on

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with that created that and also for

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into a couple of times but I keep having

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that's thanks to Peggy that helps out

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UFOs and space and things like that I'm

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myself I have been for a while but that

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doesn't stop me from doing the show and

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trying to do a good show but it did stop

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me from looking up any current UFO

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stories I just haven't I haven't been

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able to do that so

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I will be back next week as always

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there's only one week I might have a

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problem with and that's in December

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otherwise I'll be running live shows

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every single week and that's enough wait

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before I get to do this I guessed I

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should talk about our - an hour - at at

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break and during that break we'll be

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which is Stacey Wright and Mary Ann Robb

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they are from Phoenix MUFON I hung out

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gonna be great they're gonna be great

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guests I'll tell you that so right now

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we're gonna bring in Cathy welcome to

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the show Cathy thanks it's great to be

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back with you Martin it's okay if I call

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you Cathy or would you sure yeah that's

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fine yeah well I know we seem like old

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friends I know all my friends do and

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it's always always enjoyed I think you

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were one of my first 40 or 50 guests

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after Stan had I had stand on the show I

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said to him he law he said to me hey you

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know you really should interview

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Cathleen Martin and I said well who's

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she and he said well and he went on to

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tell me who you were and I remember I

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contacted you and you said that if Stan

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suggested me then I'm okay to be on your

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show and I if you will remember you did

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a live interview with me at a mother's

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house in Newburyport Massachusetts

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that's right that's right

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and I want to say first of all I know

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how close you were to stand and I I know

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is a very big loss for you and it was

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once actually going into the Phoenix

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MUFON and seeing you by set by yourself

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it really it it made me choke back a

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little bit me too I'll tell you sitting

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beside you for years and years and years

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with Stan and you were - were so close

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and and he has missed I'm sure you've

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I've seen everything since he passed

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away of how many people have honored him

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and some nice things out there about him

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support from people so many people said

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that he they went to him for help in

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some way and he was always there willing

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to listen yeah so you know that was

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incredible hundreds of people oh I bet I

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bet the last time that I saw him when I

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did his retirement show up in New

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Brunswick on location afterwards he was

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very interested in me and what I did I

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thought that was you know I mean I was

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me all kinds of questions about you know

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what I do as far as the antiques and

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fine art and stuff like that so yeah

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he's he it's a great loss it is well

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Kathy for the listener I know you've

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been on the show a number of times but I

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will tell you I get with the amount of

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email I get there's new listeners

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listening about this subject all the

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time these days and so if you would in a

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nutshell if you would give your your

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background and and your well you even

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talk about your aunt and uncle if you'd

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like to but how this all started

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the year nineteen sixty one sixty one

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yeah so go ahead if you would yes well I

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had absolutely no interest in UFOs until

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I was 13 years old and on the afternoon

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of September 20th 1961 my Aunt Betty

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phoned my childhood home and told my

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mother that she and my uncle Barney had

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had a very close up observation of a

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flying saucer the previous evening and

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they were concerned that they were so

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close to that craft that they might have

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been contaminated they asked my mother

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to call a neighbor of ours who was a

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assist and ask him what they should do

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and so that was my introduction to all

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and I saw the unfolding of what happened

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the the emotional response that both of

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them had Barney's ending up having

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post-traumatic stress disorder so badly

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that he had to take a leave of absence

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because he had bleeding ulcers he was

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having having great difficulty sleeping

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his blood pressure was soaring very high

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and it wouldn't recede with traditional

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medical treatment I met just about all

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of the early investigators on that case

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and when I was doing my own

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investigation after I had worked for

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years starting out as a social worker

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than going into the field of education

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doing graduate work there my I brought

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and I decided that I wanted to

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investigate this case for myself I

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wanted to research everything that I

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could find on it I wanted to drive the

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entire route to do everything I could to

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debunk that story hmm and I couldn't

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debunk it in the end in the end after

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transcribing all of the hypnosis

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sessions they had with dr. Benjamin

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Simon's separately with amnesia

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reinstated at the end of each session I

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compared their statements all along the

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trip and I discovered in those

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transcripts that they had a real event

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mind you there was lots of physical

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evidence and circumstantial evidence to

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support this - and scientific interest

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but that is at the point where I had

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completed writing the first draft - the

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book that I wrote captured the Betty and

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Barney Hill UFO experience

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and that is when I went to Stanton

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Friedman because Betty told me if I had

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any difficulty whatsoever in moving this

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book along that I should contact Stanton

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because I could trust him implicitly

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because he was a top-notch researcher

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and I had met Stanton back in 1972 when

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he spoke at the University of New

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Hampshire well but so I've known him for

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years but I had never approached him

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about anything like this

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he didn't say yes immediately he had to

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read my manuscript he had to look at all

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of Betty's files that were in my

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possession at that point she had passed

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away and I was the trustee of her estate

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and after much discussion and I copied

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as many files that Stanton wanted and

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gave them to him so they will now be in

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his archival collection in New Brunswick

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but this all culminated in our book and

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that was the first of five books that

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I've written right yes oh did he good

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three Wow yes one of the things about

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the Betty and Barney Hill case and for

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the new listener that's not even

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familiar with any of that there's so

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much information online it was an

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encounter as she said back in 1961 as

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they drove through the White Mountains

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on their way back from Niagara Falls was

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it or someplace like that yes they went

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on vacation to Niagara Falls up to

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Toronto through spent the night 112

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miles west of Montreal vacationed in

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Montreal for the day and then decided to

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drive home to Portsmouth New Hampshire

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on New Hampshire's seacoast because they

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had plenty of energy that they were well

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rested from the night before

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and they thought they could make yeah

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and then this light it appeared to be

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following them and you know one thing

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led to another there's been a movie

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there's a movie or is there actually

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there is there another something in the

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works there there was one movie written

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about that aired in 1975 the UFO

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incidents starring James Earl Jones and

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Estelle Parsons Bryce Zabel has the

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rights to make a new motion picture on

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based upon the our book captured the

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Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience

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which is a hugely expanded book over

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what was written by John G fuller in

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1966 we know so much more now than we

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knew them well Bryce is coming up on

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this show on November 26 is he yeah he's

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he's a a genius I mean he's yes he's

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scary smart and and a great guy and

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someone you really want to do a movie

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about an incident so I'm really glad to

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hear it's in his hands that's wonderful

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the one of the things about this

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incident the Betty and Barney Hill of

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course will get into other things but

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one of the things that I think is so

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powerful about this incident in

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particular is that they did not want to

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go public and do you want to talk a

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little bit about that because I think a

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lot of people kind of assume that you

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know they were attention seekers and you

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know you know that's what you hear the

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sort of the debunking side yes and just

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just the opposite is true

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Betty was a social worker for the state

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of New Hampshire she certainly didn't

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want to place her job in jeopardy

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Barney worked for the post office they

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were both actively involved in the civil

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rights movement because bonnie was black

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and she was white and he was legal

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redress to the n-double-a-cp

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on the regional board

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in 1965 he was appointed to the US

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Commission on civil rights for the state

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Advisory Committee in New Hampshire and

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he was also actively involved in the

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community when he was one of the people

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who set up the Rockingham County

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Community Action Program with funding

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through the Office of Economic

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Opportunity

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he was the first chairman of the board

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of directors to the Rockingham County

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Community Action Program and received an

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award from Sargent Shriver they

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certainly did not want to be thought of

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as a couple of kooks this was always

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supposed to remain confidential until a

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friend of Betty's blabbed to a newspaper

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reporter in Boston and he it was for the

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Boston traveler he contacted Betty and

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Barney he wrote a letter to them that I

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have in my possession naming her and

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said that she had told him a great deal

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of things about Betty's and Barney's

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accountant that he thought that it was

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probably the most compelling case on

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record and he wanted to speak with them

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well they were alarmed how did he know

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about this he they certainly did not

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want to share that information and they

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didn't and unfortunately he spoke to so

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many other people whom he probably

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convinced that this was being made

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public that they spoke with him he spoke

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to officers at Pease Air Force Base he

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spoke between what he stated were 12 to

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14 witnesses to the UFO that night in

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the same location where Betty and Barney

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saw the craft and he knew that it was

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the same craft because he drew lines

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from where they were to the point where

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Betty and Barney were at certain times

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and the it intersected with their

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location and the craft so that it that's

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fairly new

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information that stansson found and gave

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to me when he was compiling his archival

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collection yeah I don't think I've heard

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that I know that there was some

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connection I remember Lee Spiegel was

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telling me there was some connection at

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Pease Air Force Base well I believe it

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was named in a MUFON report or something

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like that so those are little tidbits

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out there were they I want to say how

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long did this last the keeping it a lid

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on it before it got out there was it

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something like a few months or a year

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how long was it the event was on

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September 19th and into the early

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morning hours of the 20th 1961 the

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hypnosis session with dr. Benjamin

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Simon's began in January

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well meetings January 1964 hypnosis in

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February 1964 the story was released as

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the violation of confidentiality in late

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October 1965 Wow so you're telling me

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that it it was that long before this gun

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out yes that is amazing I had no that's

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that's news to me I was thinking it was

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within a few months or a year so that

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really does prove a really good point

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there that they were trying to keep the

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lid on it and really didn't want it out

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there and how did their life change when

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this got out their lives changed

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drastically it was devastating to them

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and to the family they to avoid the

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press drove down to my grandparents home

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in Kingston New Hampshire

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I grew up across the street from my

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grandparents we met as a family to

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discuss all of this what was going to

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happen next

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Betty and Barney expected to lose their

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jobs and they didn't fortunately in fact

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the the

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look accepted it Betty thought a lot

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better than she had initially believed

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they would we as a family decided that

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they should at least speak about the UFO

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sighting they had and so not long

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thereafter they spoke at the Unitarian

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Church in Dover New Hampshire and were

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introduced by the public information

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officer from Pease Air Force Base Wow

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Wow interesting and from there were

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there like TV stations that wanted them

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on and things like that did that happen

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not initially but John fuller was in the

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audience he had been writing the

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incident at Exeter and he then

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approached Betty and Barney and gave

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them a proposal to write a book about

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their experience and so Betty and Barney

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said they would only permit that if dr.

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Benjamin Simon would agree to it and

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participate as well so the four of them

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participated in the writing of this book

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and shared the profits from it but John

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just pretty much copied the hypnosis

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transcripts changing them somewhat he

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was under pressure from his publisher I

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found when Stanton and I went to his

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archival collection at the university of

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new at Boston University to enhance the

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story to put more tension into the story

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to fictionalize it enough to interest

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the public and they actually said to him

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if you want this book published

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you need to alter it someone oh that's

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terrible I mean why would it need

439
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altering that's that's the question I

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know you know I remember I had a guest

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on this show like why would someone have

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why about UFOs I mean the an incident

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when the incident is so amazing anyway

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you know that's that's too bad when

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they're under pressure and they actually

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fold to the pressure I'd rather see them

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not write the book than to get

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misinformation out there I'm sure that's

449
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yes you must feel as well it is and and

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you know that is one of the reasons

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among many why I wrote most of captured

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mmm-hmm and have you had to defend the

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honor so to speak of of them all you

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know year after year well you know

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ignorant people and I have to say

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they're ignorant of the story have

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mentioned that

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well maybe Betty and Barney did this

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because they wanted publicity you know a

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black man and a white woman married in

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1961 actively involved in very good

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social and political activities in in

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the state of New Hampshire having jobs

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having highly a high degree of

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credibility certainly did not want to go

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public they had plenty of money they

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they owned an apartment house they you

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know we're renting the apartments they

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had good-paying jobs there's no reason

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for them to go public with this for

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attention or money we have about a

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minute before we go into our first break

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here can you tell me what it was like

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for them particular in particular Barney

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at the workplace after this well Barney

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was able to receive a transfer to

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Portsmouth New Hampshire from Boston so

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there was a lot of prejudice toward

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blacks from what I've heard from people

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who worked there who contacted me and

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told me about that and so he was happy I

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think to be a rural route

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area in in Portsmouth and a mailman

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delivering mail and there were people

485
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that really liked Barney they a lot of

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them called him uncle Barney the mailman

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and they were very very nice to him

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that's that's great all right well we're

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ready to go into break and when we come

490
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back we'll finish up a little bit about

491
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Betty and Barney Hill and then we will

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talk about your book so hang in everyone

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we'll be right back right after these

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messages all right you too

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we are in the clear and we've got three

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little over three minutes in this break

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Martin got it okay I'll set the timer

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thank you

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so Kathy we will jump back on that when

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we come back to the radio station but

501
00:25:56,530 --> 00:25:53,179
let's see to discuss another topic you

502
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mentioned that you have written this is

503
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your fifth book out now can you discuss

504
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a little bit about the other books that

505
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:05,450
you've written right now or on the show

506
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oh right now we're we're still on the

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show we're on YouTube still live oh oh

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yeah okay yeah all right so yes I my

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second book was with Stan's and again

510
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science was wrong

511
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startling about you know facts and and

512
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about scientists who made proclamations

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of impossibility and we're wrong then

514
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our third book is fact fiction and

515
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flying saucers and it that's based upon

516
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years of archival research that we did

517
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because he visited more archives than I

518
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did but I found a great deal of

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information at the American

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Philosophical Society in Philadelphia

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00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:57,020
the correspondence files of people like

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the debunker Philip Glass I now know as

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a dis informant

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00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,390
Donald Menzel dis informant Edward

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Condon he might say he was a dis

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informant - and Robert Lowe who was the

527
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project coordinator for the Colorado

528
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:22,860
study on scientific study on UFOs so

529
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:25,770
though we wrote those three together and

530
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:29,700
then I wrote one with Denise stoner oh

531
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yes and that is the alien abduction

532
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files and now my fifth book is

533
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,010
extraterrestrial contact what to do when

534
00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:43,740
you've been abducted yes and we'll talk

535
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:46,350
about that when we come back after we

536
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finish up about Betty and Barney Hill

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and I hope you don't mind talking about

538
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:54,480
that subject it's a it's such a great

539
00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:58,470
topic I find it so interesting it

540
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doesn't get all for me so if you're

541
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:02,940
comfortable still talking about that but

542
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:05,820
I'm going go ahead I I would like to

543
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talk at length about my new book - oh no

544
00:28:15,050 --> 00:28:10,260
no we're going to we have a whole

545
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:15,060
half-hour okay yeah yeah so I do want

546
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:17,160
you to get into a little more about the

547
00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:20,550
archives if you would you said that you

548
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:24,350
read some of these from some of these

549
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:25,830
correspondents from some of these

550
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:29,310
classic debunkers you mentioned their

551
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:31,470
names what did you what was so

552
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:32,730
interesting what did you find

553
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:35,910
did you find anything that was hidden

554
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:40,110
and kind of interesting that kind of

555
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:41,700
calls them out and what they were doing

556
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:44,790
well I was very surprised that they were

557
00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:48,960
all good friends that Donald Donald

558
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:51,540
Menzel was fishing buddies with Edward

559
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:54,330
Condon they were working together on

560
00:29:07,450 --> 00:28:59,940
this plan to debunk UFOs in the Condon

561
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:07,460
committee even though later the

562
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:10,770
Institute of Aeronautics and

563
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:15,280
Astronautics did a study on the cases

564
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:17,110
that Condon covered and discovered that

565
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:22,390
30% of those cases were unknowns what

566
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:25,330
and so you know that's that certainly

567
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:27,870
deserves further scientific

568
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,090
investigation but Condon had a job to do

569
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,240
and I found all of the information that

570
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Condon had this job to do what the Air

571
00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:40,330
Force wanted to him to do it's all laid

572
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:45,430
out in our book now we are ready to go

573
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:47,500
back sorry - okay yeah yeah right we're

574
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:49,390
ready carefully yep I'm gonna go back

575
00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:50,890
and read that book again Martin that's

576
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:52,270
fantastic

577
00:30:03,450 --> 00:29:56,970
all right here we go you - in five four

578
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:03,460
three - all right welcome back this is

579
00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:04,630
Martin Willis my guest

580
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:07,900
now as Kathleen Martin and before we

581
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,970
went into the break we were just

582
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:12,720
wrapping up about Betty and Barney Hill

583
00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:14,980
that whole case and we're gonna be

584
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:17,020
talking about her new book and possibly

585
00:30:22,790 --> 00:30:20,410
take a couple of calls that's Jesus I

586
00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:22,800
hope I'm ready for that part of it but

587
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:27,400
so he he got up into Portsmouth New

588
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:30,280
Hampshire which is an area that I lived

589
00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:33,190
many times in my life I love that town

590
00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:36,040
and what about what about Betty

591
00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:39,550
what type of repercussions if any did

592
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:43,300
she have at work she didn't have any

593
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:46,420
repercussions at work in fact when asked

594
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:48,670
her supervisor said that he wished he

595
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:52,120
had more just like her that she was such

596
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,190
a good social worker and she ended up

597
00:31:01,500 --> 00:30:57,600
receiving a promotion to supervisor

598
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:01,510
eventually so it did not really have an

599
00:31:09,450 --> 00:31:04,870
impact on her job which was very very

600
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:09,460
good that's wonderful now did they did

601
00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:13,990
they end up being asked to speak you

602
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:16,060
mentioned the Unitarian Church in Dover

603
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:18,100
but was that up if that's something that

604
00:31:25,020 --> 00:31:22,570
grew in you know as you know as actually

605
00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:25,030
conventions like that started to take

606
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:28,929
place more and more not

607
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:32,080
the reason I say that is it didn't

608
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:36,400
really impact them until John fuller

609
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:40,330
wrote the interrupted journey and then

610
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:44,140
they were under contract to do many many

611
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:47,470
radio and television shows to publicize

612
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:54,640
the book it was later and mostly I

613
00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:58,570
believe after Barney's death when Betty

614
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:01,330
went on the UFO speaking circuit

615
00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:06,100
I see so it was mostly her yes see

616
00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:07,900
Barney died from a cerebral hemorrhage

617
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:13,270
and 69 he was only 46 years old yes

618
00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:17,080
terrible it was terrible mm-hmm way too

619
00:32:23,549 --> 00:32:21,280
short so she was asked to and how did

620
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:23,559
she take - that was she okay and doing

621
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:28,480
that she loved it she ended up leaving

622
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:33,280
her job retiring early to devote the

623
00:32:39,419 --> 00:32:35,970
remainder of her life to the

624
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:39,429
investigation of UFOs the investigation

625
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:43,690
of contact and abductions and went on

626
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,090
the speaking circuit and spoke at many

627
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:48,880
many conferences Wow well that's that's

628
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:50,770
really interesting I didn't know didn't

629
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:53,110
know that part of her and how long has

630
00:33:03,210 --> 00:32:57,280
when did she leave us what year she died

631
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:03,220
in 2004 from lung cancer mm-hmm I know I

632
00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:06,970
was and I was in a home in in Barrington

633
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:09,549
New Hampshire and I saw a picture of a

634
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:11,620
photograph of Betty black-and-white real

635
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:14,530
nice whenever her smoked a cigarette and

636
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:16,390
I said oh you know Betty Hill and they

637
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:18,190
said oh yeah she was a friend that was

638
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:20,290
that was really interesting so she

639
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:26,799
smoked a bit oh yes Huffer she smoked

640
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:29,530
one cigarette after another right up

641
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,790
until until she went into a coma or in

642
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,919
lost consciousness oh my goodness Wow

643
00:33:38,669 --> 00:33:36,880
Wow

644
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:38,679
all right well let's talk about your

645
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:42,490
latest book and how you came about

646
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:45,340
wanting to write it's an interesting

647
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:49,050
title so I would like to know what was

648
00:33:54,530 --> 00:33:51,550
you know what was the genesis of this

649
00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:54,540
book what made you decide to write it

650
00:34:02,100 --> 00:33:57,190
well we thought we even thought about

651
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:02,110
calling it The Survivors guide to UFO

652
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:06,070
contacts an alien abduction but anyway I

653
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:08,890
decided to write this because I'm the

654
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:11,770
director of the mutual UFO network sixth

655
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:15,490
or research team and right now we have

656
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:19,840
thirty compassionate individuals who

657
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:23,460
speak with people who complete the

658
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:26,170
experience or questionnaire on muffinz

659
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:31,060
website under the ERT page and then that

660
00:34:37,350 --> 00:34:33,670
questionnaire goes to dr. George Matta -

661
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,360
is the assistant director and he assigns

662
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:40,000
a member of the team to contact that

663
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:44,650
person we also have five professionals

664
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:46,450
who we use as consultants to

665
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:51,040
psychiatrists and PhD psychologists and

666
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:54,280
then we also have a couple of research

667
00:35:00,360 --> 00:34:57,190
consultants as well so this is research

668
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,370
oriented as well as support for people

669
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:02,790
who believe they're having these

670
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:07,900
experiences and there are so many people

671
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,260
I realized when we started receiving a

672
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:14,320
hundred requests every month that I

673
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:17,230
ought to do something to give additional

674
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:21,460
help to these individuals and so this

675
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:24,550
was the initial goal of the book and I

676
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:26,470
thought it was going to be a very small

677
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:28,570
publication I was calling it the

678
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:32,770
experiencers handbook and then read

679
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:36,520
wheel wiser got a hold of it and thought

680
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:38,050
that it would sell millions of copies

681
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:43,690
and ended up giving me a contract for a

682
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:47,680
big book with a large publisher which

683
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:53,070
was know very good I suppose but so

684
00:35:57,810 --> 00:35:55,450
anyway the

685
00:36:00,750 --> 00:35:57,820
the intent of this book was to help

686
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:00,760
people who are having these experiences

687
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:03,490
or who believe they might be how to

688
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:05,950
separate out how to investigate their

689
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:10,600
own cases there's so much information in

690
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:13,630
this book it is there's no book on the

691
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:15,970
market like it it's a comprehensive

692
00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:22,900
guide to contact to abduction to and and

693
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,900
I give lots of very interesting stories

694
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,420
about cases that I have personally

695
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:30,880
investigated I give some information

696
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:35,050
about the history of all of this we give

697
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:38,740
have chapters on coping strategies even

698
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:43,810
on how to make it stop if you feel

699
00:36:48,090 --> 00:36:46,060
you're having these experiences and you

700
00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:48,100
just want it to end

701
00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:50,950
we give suggestions that have worked for

702
00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:53,380
other people really because that's

703
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,020
that's always been you know my thoughts

704
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:58,750
up you and I spoke briefly before the

705
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:01,030
show and I told you that this has always

706
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:04,690
been a really tough part for me to

707
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:07,510
swallow and that I would I can't imagine

708
00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:10,150
how people can function if they actually

709
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:12,340
have something like this going on in

710
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,770
their lives and I was listening to a PI

711
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:16,240
listen to a couple of science podcast

712
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:18,730
aside of interest and I was listening to

713
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,610
one earlier today and there's there's

714
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:23,200
not going to be a real parallel here but

715
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,280
I will tell you there were people

716
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:26,400
talking about really strange things

717
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:29,320
happening when they were trying to sleep

718
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:32,350
and and it ended up being carbon

719
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:34,300
monoxide poisoning

720
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:36,430
from their home and they were oh my

721
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:39,070
goodness they were having these visions

722
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:42,010
of like people visiting them and sitting

723
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:44,290
on the bed and talking to them and all

724
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:48,010
this stuff now I know there's that when

725
00:37:52,530 --> 00:37:49,930
people just flat-out want to say there's

726
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:52,540
nothing to this it'll come up with more

727
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:55,000
of something like sleep paralysis I've

728
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,090
actually seen you know doctor on TV just

729
00:38:02,160 --> 00:37:59,680
saying this all bunk you know and all

730
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:02,170
that I I feel as though there's

731
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:05,560
definitely something going on and it's

732
00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:09,290
and it's kind of like in the US

733
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:13,700
so world to me like I don't have any

734
00:38:17,470 --> 00:38:15,830
idea what it is but something's going on

735
00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:17,480
is that kind of how you see it or do you

736
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:22,190
think it's direct extraterrestrial there

737
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:23,630
are many things going on

738
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,790
some of it is extraterrestrial some of

739
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:27,680
its paranormal some of its sleep

740
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,160
paralysis some of it is mental illness

741
00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:34,400
or personality disorders where people

742
00:38:38,890 --> 00:38:37,190
are just big attention seekers and one

743
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:38,900
all the attention they can get from

744
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:41,360
everyone that will give it to them there

745
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:44,930
are all sorts of explanations for this

746
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:47,450
and and that's one reason that we wrote

747
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:49,700
the books to help people to sort out

748
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:52,340
what is actually occurring and in terms

749
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:55,640
of sleep paralysis I also wrote in the

750
00:39:01,260 --> 00:38:58,370
book about social research studies that

751
00:39:07,570 --> 00:39:01,270
have been done on abductees and

752
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:07,580
experiences now I did a 3-year study

753
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:11,120
with dr. Don seed Andheri who has

754
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:13,450
recently retired from McGill University

755
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:16,730
psychologists and statistician and he

756
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:19,130
administered the American personality

757
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:25,070
inventory to 175 of our 516 participants

758
00:39:33,490 --> 00:39:28,300
and what we did is we compared the

759
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:33,500
overall data with the data supplied to

760
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:37,390
us by people who were identified as

761
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:41,270
abductees not as simulators or wannabes

762
00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:43,910
not as members of the general public but

763
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:47,470
had the characteristics emotional and

764
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:52,130
knowledge of alien abduction and with

765
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:55,670
regard to sleep paralysis we asked the

766
00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:00,560
question have you experienced these

767
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:04,460
symptoms and we listed the symptoms 74%

768
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:06,860
of the experiencer groups said yes and

769
00:40:15,690 --> 00:40:10,670
90% of the abductee group but then we

770
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:15,700
asked were you awake and did you then

771
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:19,670
see non-human entities enter your

772
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:23,030
environment before you became power

773
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:27,500
lized it dropped to 36 percent for the

774
00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:29,870
experience or group but was sixty

775
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:33,860
percent among the abductee group so that

776
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:37,220
was highly significant hmm I remember

777
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:40,190
you when I thought it was when you were

778
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:43,220
working with Denis maybe not that that

779
00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:49,030
you you found the likenesses that that

780
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:51,800
people just seemed to have that they'd

781
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,920
fill out on their own you know like this

782
00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:57,440
and that would happen and sure enough

783
00:41:03,670 --> 00:40:59,540
you know a lot of people are

784
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:03,680
experiencing the same unusual thing some

785
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,330
people do talk about I know you've told

786
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:10,400
this to me before like the reptilian

787
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:14,570
type entity they see and the greys and

788
00:41:21,490 --> 00:41:17,750
the different the different types are

789
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:21,500
there people that you talk with that

790
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:23,330
describe something you've never heard

791
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:25,220
before a being that you've never heard

792
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:30,070
that looked like what they're describing

793
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:33,110
no and when they do describe well let me

794
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:36,470
say when someone describes something

795
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:41,150
that I have never heard before it gives

796
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:45,470
me and also my team a clue that this is

797
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:46,760
something different

798
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:50,300
and Denis stoner is the paranormal

799
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,300
expert on our team she has studied with

800
00:41:59,980 --> 00:41:56,480
Bishop long from the ancient old Roman

801
00:42:07,330 --> 00:41:59,990
Catholic Church for about two years now

802
00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:07,340
and she and has convinced us that there

803
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:11,390
are negative interdimensional hsihu slip

804
00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:15,440
in to our environment from time to time

805
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:19,340
and some of these entities that people

806
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:23,530
believe are actually extraterrestrials

807
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:26,890
these highly negative ones are not

808
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:29,980
extraterrestrials at all they're lower

809
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,280
vibrating entities from you might say

810
00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:36,800
the astral realm

811
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:38,780
in the Catholic Church they call them

812
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:43,240
demons they can shape-shift and they

813
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:47,720
will present sometimes as appearing

814
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:52,990
somewhat like the extraterrestrials but

815
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:56,480
they're not they look different there

816
00:43:03,100 --> 00:42:59,780
are differences in their appearance wow

817
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:03,110
how interesting I know that someone's

818
00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:05,860
gonna say well why didn't you ask her

819
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:08,660
what to do about repelling them so I'm

820
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:11,150
gonna ask you if you can give a tidbit

821
00:43:14,290 --> 00:43:12,950
I'm sure there's a lot of different

822
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:14,300
things but I know you don't want to give

823
00:43:19,570 --> 00:43:16,070
away everything in your book but if you

824
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:19,580
can just give us an idea of one of the

825
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:21,830
things that someone might do that makes

826
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,380
whatever happening whatever is happening

827
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:27,920
to them stop well first let me say that

828
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:32,060
for those who are having contact

829
00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:36,770
probably with interdimensional from the

830
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:40,520
astral realm whether or not you're a

831
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:43,369
religious person appeal to a higher

832
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:45,290
power if you're an atheist

833
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:48,500
appeal to the highest intelligence and

834
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:53,810
the words that work for people are in

835
00:44:02,650 --> 00:43:56,840
the not in the name of whoever it is God

836
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:02,660
Jesus Mohammed whatever I command you to

837
00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:07,070
leave this room now and don't come back

838
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:10,040
you can't scream it you can't be angry

839
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:13,359
you have to say it very assertively and

840
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:18,410
authoritative ly and if the they really

841
00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:21,170
are extraterrestrials and they are

842
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:23,840
benevolent if they if you don't want

843
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:25,580
them there they will turn around and

844
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:26,570
leave too

845
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:28,570
now many people believe that

846
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:31,820
particularly with the greys who which

847
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:34,940
are the most prevalent group of entities

848
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:37,310
that we believe are of extraterrestrial

849
00:44:46,349 --> 00:44:41,690
origin with the greys many people

850
00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:46,359
believe that humans had made a contract

851
00:44:54,089 --> 00:44:50,440
before they were born to work with

852
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:54,099
graze for the benefit of humanity at

853
00:45:03,870 --> 00:44:59,200
this time in the life of our planet in

854
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:03,880
our civilization where we could be on

855
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:05,710
the brink of destruction

856
00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:08,819
through an environmental collapse

857
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:12,520
through nuclear war through that sort of

858
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,640
thing but still if you believe that this

859
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:21,119
might have happened or don't even know

860
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:25,050
just when you have an experience or

861
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:28,210
telepathically send the message I want

862
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:31,750
to break my contract I don't like this I

863
00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:35,200
don't want it to happen again these

864
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,940
kinds of things have worked for people

865
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:38,800
there I have an entire chapter devoted

866
00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:42,790
to this with many many ideas that have

867
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:45,430
worked for individuals isn't that tough

868
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:48,130
isn't that something I just have up on

869
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,010
the message board someone mentioned

870
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:53,400
Steven mentioned what about daytime

871
00:46:01,380 --> 00:45:58,390
abductions so I do you know want to

872
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:01,390
address that a little bit because when

873
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:04,290
someone is having a daytime abduction

874
00:46:09,059 --> 00:46:06,700
generally speaking there may be a

875
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:09,069
witness sometimes but oftentimes there's

876
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:11,730
no witness at all are you familiar with

877
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:14,200
any time that there's been a lot of

878
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:19,450
witnesses no I'm not I know of witnesses

879
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:22,630
in group abductions from conferences oh

880
00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:27,250
yes yes that's one of them and there

881
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:29,079
have been others as well

882
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:33,550
I do know that one of the women on my

883
00:46:41,970 --> 00:46:37,750
team at MUFON believes that she had a

884
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:41,980
daytime abduction at the International

885
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,160
UFO Congress conference in Phoenix two

886
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:48,000
or three years ago where she went

887
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:53,710
missing couldn't find her and there were

888
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,140
people at that conference who reported

889
00:47:03,990 --> 00:46:59,280
that they had seen sort of almost

890
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:04,000
invisible but barely visible nonhumans

891
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:06,130
at that conference there there's been a

892
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:09,910
lot of talk I I haven't done an

893
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:13,960
investigation of this only to acquire

894
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:16,870
information from other people's

895
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:20,920
testimony so we really don't know but

896
00:47:26,010 --> 00:47:23,890
that is one case where she might have

897
00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:26,020
just I don't know slipped into another

898
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:29,140
dimension or something happened into a

899
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:33,220
portal and then was returned and she was

900
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:35,620
being sought after she was manning one

901
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:39,370
of the tables at the conference hmm Wow

902
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:42,970
are you comfortable about talking about

903
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:47,940
your own experiences I can tell you that

904
00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:52,510
after 50 years of non-disclosure I have

905
00:48:00,330 --> 00:47:56,500
recently come to the decision that I

906
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:00,340
needed to admit that this had indeed

907
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:03,580
occurred in my own life that I'm a

908
00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:06,070
generational experience or that my

909
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:08,920
mother and I were both taken when I was

910
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,960
17 years old and before that there was a

911
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:16,480
time when my mother went grocery

912
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:19,060
shopping and she did this every Friday

913
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:21,190
night she would leave at the same time

914
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:24,730
arrive home at the same time on one

915
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:29,020
particular night she didn't show up my

916
00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:31,480
father was extremely distressed we were

917
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:33,460
worried where could she be

918
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:37,120
she arrived home not realizing that she

919
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:41,350
had any missing time but the frozen food

920
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:44,770
had thawed the ice cream was soup Wow

921
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:48,460
yeah no explanation on what happened to

922
00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:52,390
her and you know I think that maybe that

923
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:56,350
abduction that I had in in 19 well when

924
00:49:05,610 --> 00:48:57,850
I was 17 years old

925
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:05,620
it was 1966 in the April of 1966 we had

926
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:07,420
already had a close encounter with a UFO

927
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:11,380
a couple of months before that and this

928
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:13,150
was during the time when betty was

929
00:49:19,890 --> 00:49:15,730
working with a team of scientists to

930
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:19,900
try to call in UFOs on kind of a ce-5

931
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,210
experiment they called it a psycho

932
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:24,720
physics experiment she was sometimes

933
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:29,200
successful in doing this the UFO came in

934
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:31,210
on that particular night Betty wasn't

935
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,900
there mmm we'd all gone to bed my

936
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,359
grandmother and a neighbor of ours who

937
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:39,280
was a commercial pilot returning home

938
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:43,089
from work that night observed that craft

939
00:49:47,849 --> 00:49:45,640
coming in for a landing it left physical

940
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:47,859
trace evidence on the ground it was

941
00:49:54,569 --> 00:49:51,400
scientifically investigated but my

942
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:54,579
mother and I never stated that we found

943
00:50:03,500 --> 00:49:58,630
ourselves on that craft that night it

944
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:03,510
was incredibly traumatic for us but

945
00:50:09,059 --> 00:50:06,700
investigators worked with us not

946
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:09,069
immediately because we didn't even

947
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:11,290
mention it immediately but a few years

948
00:50:20,579 --> 00:50:17,049
later to help us with this and dr. James

949
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:20,589
hardier who was a professor and in

950
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:23,829
California and worked as an investigator

951
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:27,210
for a pro the aerial phenomenon research

952
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:30,520
organization did hypnosis on both my

953
00:50:38,339 --> 00:50:35,680
mother and myself and it was because

954
00:50:45,049 --> 00:50:38,349
when we had these experiences just one

955
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:45,059
time they didn't stop we were both taken

956
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:49,420
time and time again over our lifetime I

957
00:50:58,109 --> 00:50:52,650
believe that mine might have stopped now

958
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,119
but I will never know yeah right right

959
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:00,880
now did you and your mother talk about

960
00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:03,190
this and which was it ongoing with her

961
00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:06,700
as well yes they came to her house they

962
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:10,540
they terrified her she had a terrible

963
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:13,450
struggle working through this much I

964
00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:18,910
think probably worse I did be alone with

965
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:24,220
Devore I never lived alone and probably

966
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:28,350
because I didn't want to be alone and

967
00:51:35,530 --> 00:51:32,280
so she did have a huge struggle with us

968
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:35,540
a great deal of fear finding herself

969
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:39,210
locked out of her house sometimes at

970
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:45,240
night you know just she needed more help

971
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:48,930
she needed more support and that's part

972
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:51,030
of the reason why I do what I do today

973
00:51:58,820 --> 00:51:54,600
because I know the impact that this has

974
00:52:02,960 --> 00:51:58,830
on people and you know whether it ends

975
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:02,970
up not being a UFO abduction and it

976
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:06,780
could be something else too but we try

977
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:10,290
to assist people in determining exactly

978
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:14,040
what it is and I always tell people who

979
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:18,870
are feeling traumatized to do not go to

980
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:22,310
a certified hypnotist or hypnotherapist

981
00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:26,490
before you have had psychological help

982
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:30,120
now some psychologists will also

983
00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:33,710
incorporate hypnosis into their work but

984
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:38,580
also there are many who just do EMDR

985
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,540
therapy

986
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,960
it's an emotional release technique that

987
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:44,720
is highly successful in resolving

988
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:47,970
post-traumatic stress disorder and these

989
00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:51,510
experiences will have some memories of

990
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:54,600
what happened as well so I always

991
00:53:02,120 --> 00:52:57,870
recommend that before you explore your

992
00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:02,130
events through hypnosis I see now we

993
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:04,350
only have a couple of minutes left I do

994
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:06,510
want to and before you leave of course I

995
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,510
want to ask you how people can find your

996
00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:11,040
book I'm sure it's on Amazon and all

997
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:15,360
that but can you describe entities and

998
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:17,430
did your mother see the same thing you

999
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:21,930
did I saw a race of Grey's the same type

1000
00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:25,050
that contacted Betty and Barney abducted

1001
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,660
them in New Hampshire's White Mountains

1002
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:29,460
you know remember Betty was doing this

1003
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:33,000
experiment to call them in and my mother

1004
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:35,910
did as well it was always but they were

1005
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,520
you know in the end after I went through

1006
00:53:42,830 --> 00:53:40,500
hypnosis and

1007
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:42,840
and really remembered what was occurring

1008
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:47,400
I was okay with it I was terrified

1009
00:53:53,180 --> 00:53:50,430
because I didn't remember everything I

1010
00:53:56,540 --> 00:53:53,190
remembered part of it but not all of it

1011
00:53:59,060 --> 00:53:56,550
but once I was able to remember all of

1012
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:59,070
it they were we're not bad at all they

1013
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:00,540
were pretty nice actually

1014
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:03,750
for greys you know what I would say that

1015
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,210
some people laugh in my face but you

1016
00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:08,880
know there are a lot of highly negative

1017
00:54:13,070 --> 00:54:11,070
comments being made about the grace some

1018
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:13,080
of them are not as nice especially the

1019
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:16,140
ones that work with insectoids but this

1020
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,760
group was different and your book the

1021
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:22,680
title one more time and and people can

1022
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:25,710
find it on the amazon and etc it it is

1023
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:28,920
extraterrestrial contact what to do when

1024
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:32,010
you've been abducted it's available in

1025
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:35,220
multiple formats at Amazon and Barnes &

1026
00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:37,740
Noble you can purchase an autographed

1027
00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:41,430
copy from me through my website at

1028
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,980
Kathleen - Mardon ma rden dot-com

1029
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,180
excellent thanks so much caffeine it's

1030
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,700
always a real pleasure to see you and to

1031
00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:53,040
talk to you Thank You Martin it was a

1032
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:55,080
pleasure to be with you again all right

1033
00:54:57,310 --> 00:54:55,740
excellent

1034
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:57,320
all right everyone we'll be right back

1035
00:55:01,460 --> 00:54:59,640
right after these messages and on

1036
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,470
YouTube hang in there we'll be back

1037
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:04,050
right all righty welcome back everyone a

1038
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:06,540
real pleasure of actually working with

1039
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:07,020
you

1040
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,780
Stacy out in Phoenix it was it was a lot

1041
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:15,480
of fun I enjoyed our conversations and

1042
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:17,900
that's why you're here

1043
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:23,810
yeah so Phoenix is a very active area

1044
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:26,700
and you do a lot in the background for

1045
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:28,230
those on YouTube you can see they got

1046
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:30,030
the little MUFON thing in the background

1047
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:31,860
there and a little echoey room you're in

1048
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:34,920
a big room somewhere huh yeah you know

1049
00:55:39,110 --> 00:55:36,870
in Phoenix everyone's got tile floors

1050
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:39,120
just to stay nice and cool so yeah

1051
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:40,590
you're probably hear on the tile echo

1052
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:43,740
yeah yeah well that's okay we can

1053
00:55:47,060 --> 00:55:44,790
certainly live with that

1054
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,070
so do you want to talk about either one

1055
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:48,480
of you can take this and talk about your

1056
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,550
backgrounds and what and you know we'll

1057
00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:52,140
do one at a time how you got interested

1058
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:53,800
in UFOs and how you

1059
00:56:01,350 --> 00:55:57,430
where you are today okay well I'll go

1060
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:01,360
first um I you know just grew up as a

1061
00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:03,310
kid interested in the stars

1062
00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:04,780
you know my favorite thing to do always

1063
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:07,300
was to go out in the backyard this is

1064
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,970
stacy stacy speaking just so the

1065
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:11,680
listener knows yeah keep going

1066
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:14,350
yeah and so you know I just was always

1067
00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:15,850
interested in the stars they just kind

1068
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:17,800
of Drew me and it was always very fun

1069
00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:19,990
and to look up the Stars and see every

1070
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:21,550
once in a while a shooting star I think

1071
00:56:26,670 --> 00:56:23,260
we all kind of grew up like in that kind

1072
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:26,680
of stuff so when I went to college I you

1073
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:28,630
know wanted to choose a college that had

1074
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,370
a really good astronomy program so I

1075
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:33,520
actually moved from Lake Tahoe area and

1076
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:33,910
Nevada

1077
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:36,070
up to Idaho to Idaho State University

1078
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:38,170
and they had a good astronomy program

1079
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:39,970
out there so I took a lot of classes and

1080
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,150
learned a lot more good stuff and didn't

1081
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:45,520
really follow UFOs too much I'm just

1082
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:49,020
like the science end of things and then

1083
00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:53,350
about 12 or 13 years ago I just all of a

1084
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,780
sudden something flipped like a light

1085
00:57:01,560 --> 00:56:58,480
switch and the UFO subject was all there

1086
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:01,570
was to look into at that point so I just

1087
00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:04,150
started researching and thought you know

1088
00:57:07,470 --> 00:57:06,220
living here in this this world-class

1089
00:57:09,450 --> 00:57:07,480
City of Phoenix

1090
00:57:11,130 --> 00:57:09,460
you know Jim man and I were talking we

1091
00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:11,140
thought it's got to be a UFO meeting

1092
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:12,940
here you know let's let's go find some

1093
00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:15,400
weirdos and people wearing foil hats and

1094
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:17,380
let's go see a UFO meeting that would be

1095
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:19,420
a lot of fun so I went looking around

1096
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:22,750
found this group called MUFON and wrote

1097
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:25,270
in to the I didn't know it at the time

1098
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:26,980
but it was the executive director and

1099
00:57:30,660 --> 00:57:29,170
said hey how come there's no meetings

1100
00:57:32,070 --> 00:57:30,670
here in the Phoenix area looked like it

1101
00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:32,080
had been dormant for seven or eight

1102
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:33,940
years and this was following the Phoenix

1103
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:35,970
lights which was really unusual as well

1104
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:39,190
um so he said well yo you know we don't

1105
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:40,540
have a meeting there right now but give

1106
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:42,040
me a couple weeks and we'll have one for

1107
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:43,900
you so lo and behold

1108
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:45,940
MUFON meeting formed and they were

1109
00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:48,310
looking for someone to run it and we

1110
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:51,460
just raised our hands and went from four

1111
00:57:55,410 --> 00:57:53,470
people at our first meeting up to about

1112
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:55,420
a hundred and fifty consistently in

1113
00:58:00,120 --> 00:57:57,670
attendance now every month I know it's a

1114
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:00,130
very strong group very strong I've heard

1115
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:02,470
that for years yeah that's what about

1116
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:05,740
you Marion well mine is a whole

1117
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:07,010
different story

1118
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:11,940
back in 2014 my husband went to the UFO

1119
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:16,200
Congress told me about it and said can I

1120
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:18,630
go he hurted I'm on the radio station he

1121
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:22,890
says please have fun I believe that

1122
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:26,880
there is life outside of course the

1123
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,820
earth and I you know I always believed

1124
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:32,160
but I let him go to the UFO Congress

1125
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:34,110
enjoy yourself

1126
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:38,220
he did that in 2014 then he had me he

1127
00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:40,050
asked me if I'd go to a meeting with him

1128
00:58:45,290 --> 00:58:42,030
with Phoenix MUFON he got to meet

1129
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:45,300
Alejandro and he got with open minds he

1130
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:47,100
got to meet Jim and Stacy with Phoenix

1131
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:51,240
MUFON so middle of 2014 he asked me to

1132
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,880
go to a meeting with him which I did and

1133
00:58:58,820 --> 00:58:55,740
of course being a police officer I was a

1134
00:59:00,860 --> 00:58:58,830
little skeptical and I went to the

1135
00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:00,870
meeting and lo the hold of all people

1136
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:02,520
that were talking it was Kathleen Martin

1137
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:06,240
and she had me hooked from the beginning

1138
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:07,410
it was an awesome meeting it was

1139
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:10,140
wonderful that Jim and Stacy they were

1140
00:59:18,110 --> 00:59:15,000
just amazing and started kind of getting

1141
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:18,120
into a little bit of a move on my

1142
00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:19,710
husband continued to go to the meetings

1143
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:23,670
I didn't well the end of 2014 I believe

1144
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:24,450
is November

1145
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:28,500
jimin's day she asked if we would house

1146
00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,810
a couple of speakers that were coming in

1147
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,240
for the Travis Walton Skyfire summit

1148
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:35,880
that was happening in November of 2014

1149
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:39,080
and I we said sure you know no problem

1150
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:42,360
who are these folks and at first they

1151
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,460
said it was Richard Dolan and Peter

1152
00:59:51,110 --> 00:59:46,800
Robbins of course we're like who are

1153
00:59:54,110 --> 00:59:51,120
they and we got to meet those gentlemen

1154
00:59:56,810 --> 00:59:54,120
which was just amazing great researchers

1155
00:59:59,420 --> 00:59:56,820
and awesome people well while we were

1156
01:00:02,120 --> 00:59:59,430
that evening we said what we have one

1157
01:00:04,220 --> 01:00:02,130
other person that needs a room to stay

1158
01:00:07,070 --> 01:00:04,230
before they go up to he for the next day

1159
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:07,080
we're like okay sure who's that Stanton

1160
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:09,990
Friedman all right and it was like first

1161
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:13,200
of all who stanton well let me tell you

1162
01:00:20,329 --> 01:00:17,250
the whirlwind of everything started that

1163
01:00:24,739 --> 01:00:20,339
next morning when I got to me Stanton

1164
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:24,749
I was just the most amazing time of my

1165
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,150
life I had to go to work

1166
01:00:33,140 --> 01:00:29,819
and I came home for breakfast and

1167
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:33,150
Stanton sitting there in my kitchen and

1168
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,460
he looks at me and I look at him cuz I'm

1169
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:37,559
in a uniformed police uniform he had no

1170
01:00:43,759 --> 01:00:41,160
clue who I was and listening to Stanton

1171
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:43,769
Peter and Richard he probably thought it

1172
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:46,619
was a raid I know it's like who are

1173
01:00:57,259 --> 01:00:53,870
where'd you were in black anyway it was

1174
01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:57,269
the most amazing amazing time in ever

1175
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:00,660
since November of 14 my life has totally

1176
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:05,130
changed being part of MUFON has just

1177
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:07,079
been the most amazing wonderful

1178
01:01:14,209 --> 01:01:11,400
experience Wow well during a 2014 at

1179
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,219
that time I had talked to Travis ahead

1180
01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:16,559
of time I said hey Travis I'm gonna send

1181
01:01:20,989 --> 01:01:19,140
you there's no phone signal up there and

1182
01:01:22,279 --> 01:01:20,999
and is it called Hubert how do you

1183
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:22,289
pronounce that

1184
01:01:29,509 --> 01:01:27,180
Hubert so he said there was no you know

1185
01:01:31,729 --> 01:01:29,519
cell signal so I said okay I'm gonna I'm

1186
01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:31,739
gonna rent a satellite phone and send it

1187
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:33,329
to you and I want you to be on the phone

1188
01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:36,569
with me during my live show and so it

1189
01:01:43,459 --> 01:01:40,289
goes great sure okay and you know so so

1190
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:43,469
the time comes and everyone is at the

1191
01:01:49,059 --> 01:01:46,380
site and Travis isn't there and my shows

1192
01:01:52,489 --> 01:01:49,069
live and so I got alejandro on the show

1193
01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:52,499
and Alejandro is walking around and he

1194
01:01:57,170 --> 01:01:55,319
did have signal enough to talk and then

1195
01:01:59,569 --> 01:01:57,180
he goes oh here's Travis and he walks

1196
01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:59,579
over to Travis and hands the phone to

1197
01:02:02,989 --> 01:02:01,559
Travis's hey Travis light up the

1198
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:02,999
satellite phone he goes although I

1199
01:02:11,299 --> 01:02:06,960
forgot that so we ended up doing the

1200
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:11,309
show on on the cell phone with Alejandro

1201
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,809
cell phone it worked out it worked out

1202
01:02:17,749 --> 01:02:14,880
okay but that must have been fun did you

1203
01:02:20,029 --> 01:02:17,759
participate in that either one of you

1204
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:20,039
yeah both of us were there helping to

1205
01:02:24,829 --> 01:02:21,630
run the whole thing because it was just

1206
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:24,839
uh it was kind of the pilot program for

1207
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:26,190
his event that would be held the next

1208
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:28,049
year and that would be his 40th

1209
01:02:32,890 --> 01:02:31,619
anniversary of his abduction so we were

1210
01:02:34,509 --> 01:02:32,900
doing a little pilot program

1211
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:34,519
the year before and it turned out great

1212
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:37,039
I mean it was freezing cold it was so

1213
01:02:41,470 --> 01:02:39,230
cold was unbelievable and it was in this

1214
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:41,480
big barn that barely had heating and

1215
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:43,609
there was no hot coffee or hot chocolate

1216
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:45,710
or anything sold anywhere around there I

1217
01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:47,450
mean we're out in the country I think

1218
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:48,980
I'd take that back I think it was that

1219
01:02:53,950 --> 01:02:50,809
year I think was the 40th when I

1220
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:53,960
actually don't speak with him yes but no

1221
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:55,640
that's that from what I understand that

1222
01:02:59,680 --> 01:02:57,170
was a lot of fun I heard that was a lot

1223
01:03:01,749 --> 01:02:59,690
of fun yeah it was the next year it was

1224
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,759
at the same place but the heating was a

1225
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:03,680
little bit better and then Phoenix MUFON

1226
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,450
jumped in there and we did concessions

1227
01:03:08,890 --> 01:03:08,480
so everyone had hot drinks had food oh

1228
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:08,900
yeah

1229
01:03:14,019 --> 01:03:11,569
a lot of fun stuff and Karen Burrard who

1230
01:03:16,749 --> 01:03:14,029
is the owner of the UFO Congress she was

1231
01:03:18,460 --> 01:03:16,759
running that 40th anniversary event for

1232
01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:18,470
Travis so it turned out really well

1233
01:03:23,710 --> 01:03:21,349
she does a really good job you know I

1234
01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:23,720
was planning the UFO Congress does a

1235
01:03:27,489 --> 01:03:25,640
great job I actually got to hang out

1236
01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:27,499
with Harun Alejandro in New York a

1237
01:03:33,279 --> 01:03:30,440
couple weekends ago and it was it was

1238
01:03:35,470 --> 01:03:33,289
funny I said to Karen I said Karen

1239
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:35,480
you're a real person and the reason I

1240
01:03:40,089 --> 01:03:37,160
said that because she's totally stressed

1241
01:03:42,009 --> 01:03:40,099
out during the UFO Congress and I get

1242
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:42,019
that because I've run events before and

1243
01:03:46,269 --> 01:03:44,210
it's very very stressful and let me have

1244
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:46,279
to you have to be on target all the time

1245
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:49,849
so but but interesting so Mary Ann you

1246
01:03:56,979 --> 01:03:52,430
are a police officer I remember reading

1247
01:03:58,839 --> 01:03:56,989
that in your bio do what do police

1248
01:04:00,160 --> 01:03:58,849
officers in general do you ever get to

1249
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:00,170
talk to colleagues and what do they

1250
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:04,910
think about the UFO topic my team that I

1251
01:04:11,229 --> 01:04:07,910
work with with sergeant Hanson and my

1252
01:04:14,829 --> 01:04:11,239
guys really support me really support

1253
01:04:18,579 --> 01:04:14,839
the UFO phenomenon they ask me a lot of

1254
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:18,589
questions I have not had any ridicule at

1255
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:20,900
all from anybody in my Police Department

1256
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:23,660
that's more people it's amazing more

1257
01:04:29,049 --> 01:04:26,690
people says well I have seen this they

1258
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:29,059
come up with stories they tell me things

1259
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,220
that they have seen in the past where

1260
01:04:35,890 --> 01:04:33,200
they would never tell or share with

1261
01:04:38,249 --> 01:04:35,900
anybody else and it's pretty cool

1262
01:04:40,690 --> 01:04:38,259
because I've had Stacie ride with me

1263
01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:40,700
that's an interesting story in it right

1264
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,390
along Arianna

1265
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:44,760
yeah it's beautiful I've had Peter

1266
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:46,590
Robbins ride with me I've had Mark

1267
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:50,610
Dantonio ride with me and it's a lot of

1268
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:53,940
fun because my guys that I work with get

1269
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:57,660
to see the folks that I interact with

1270
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:01,260
with the UFL community and they just

1271
01:05:06,590 --> 01:05:04,650
love it it's I even you know tell him

1272
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:06,600
about the show tonight they were excited

1273
01:05:12,110 --> 01:05:08,970
yeah we were and I'm really getting into

1274
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:12,120
everything with the UFO community yeah

1275
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:16,260
awesome now when when you say you ride

1276
01:05:19,550 --> 01:05:17,700
they've just right in the and the cop

1277
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:19,560
car basically with you but are you

1278
01:05:25,010 --> 01:05:22,770
familiar with any colleagues having a or

1279
01:05:27,650 --> 01:05:25,020
are there any instances that you're

1280
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:27,660
aware of where the flink Phoenix Police

1281
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:29,940
Department got involved in a UFO

1282
01:05:33,830 --> 01:05:32,490
sighting I know that there was tons and

1283
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:33,840
tons of calls to the night of the

1284
01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:35,430
Phoenix lights we can talk about that a

1285
01:05:38,810 --> 01:05:37,350
little later but that was a long time

1286
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:38,820
ago but I mean since you've been with

1287
01:05:43,550 --> 01:05:41,220
the department are there any sightings

1288
01:05:46,930 --> 01:05:43,560
that are reported directly to the to the

1289
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:46,940
police well I work for Gilbert Police

1290
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:49,830
and which is kind of southeast of the

1291
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,330
valley here Phoenix area we have not had

1292
01:05:58,700 --> 01:05:56,220
any sightings I don't know about Phoenix

1293
01:06:02,960 --> 01:05:58,710
Police I wish I could imagine what

1294
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:02,970
they'd probably have daily sightings I

1295
01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:05,250
haven't had a sighting but I've actually

1296
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:11,220
had a woman that believed that her

1297
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:15,330
boyfriend was an entity and it's a good

1298
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:20,010
way to get rid of someone yeah yeah this

1299
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:22,890
was her boyfriend I went to the house

1300
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:25,170
and what's cool about being part of

1301
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:30,450
MUFON is that I know how to talk to

1302
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:32,850
these folks the gal thought that her

1303
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:36,930
boyfriend who his name was Lucifer in a

1304
01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:40,170
good way he had his name Lucifer a show

1305
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:44,190
that it was a positive he was putting a

1306
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:47,370
positive spin on the name um she she

1307
01:06:54,859 --> 01:06:50,910
actually knew that yeah so

1308
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:54,869
at cinnamon believed that she was in

1309
01:07:00,170 --> 01:06:58,200
pregnant impregnated by him and she took

1310
01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:00,180
occurred her three small children out to

1311
01:07:05,539 --> 01:07:03,750
a remote area in the Phoenix area in the

1312
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:05,549
middle of the night waiting for his

1313
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,410
spaceship to come down and pick her up

1314
01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:10,079
and pick up the children because she was

1315
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:13,319
going to live happily ever after one of

1316
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:15,450
my other partners that I was with had no

1317
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:17,640
clue how to even interact with this gal

1318
01:07:23,980 --> 01:07:21,480
and she talked about that and then she

1319
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:23,990
talked about Steven Greer knowing Steven

1320
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:28,170
and listening to his his talks and she

1321
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,170
believed 100% what he was saying again

1322
01:07:36,019 --> 01:07:33,359
why my partner had no clue who Steven

1323
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,029
Greer was being part of MUFON

1324
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,119
I heard of Steven I've seen a couple of

1325
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:41,640
his talks and I was able to interact

1326
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:44,460
with her and I was able to connect with

1327
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:47,730
her and I know that you speak UFO I

1328
01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:52,470
speak UFO knew that she spoke UFO so

1329
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,099
they chose her for this case and I was

1330
01:08:01,339 --> 01:07:58,440
able to get her and we did get her help

1331
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:01,349
we we took her to a facility to get her

1332
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,920
some help and it was just an interesting

1333
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:06,960
case that she did not want to talk to

1334
01:08:11,779 --> 01:08:08,700
the police she did not want to talk to

1335
01:08:15,019 --> 01:08:11,789
anyone repre regarding this but because

1336
01:08:19,879 --> 01:08:15,029
I guess I did speak UFO that helped her

1337
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:19,889
ease either into you know trusting me

1338
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:21,870
and I was able to get her in my patrol

1339
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:23,730
car and took her to a mental health

1340
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:26,460
facility to get some help on that yeah

1341
01:08:32,539 --> 01:08:29,819
so I haven't had any sightings but yeah

1342
01:08:35,539 --> 01:08:32,549
the entities and someone that believes

1343
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:35,549
that she was dating an alien I got to

1344
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:37,290
help her out so I was real happy that

1345
01:08:43,459 --> 01:08:41,100
you can't say it's not possible but

1346
01:08:45,820 --> 01:08:43,469
anyway well that is interesting that

1347
01:08:48,919 --> 01:08:45,830
sounds like you handled it the right way

1348
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,929
and the woman sounds like she was

1349
01:08:53,629 --> 01:08:51,000
struggling so I'm glad you did that

1350
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:53,639
let's talk about the Phoenix lights

1351
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:56,370
because we've we've touched on it like

1352
01:09:01,340 --> 01:08:59,009
five times already so the Phoenix lights

1353
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:01,350
were either one of you interested at all

1354
01:09:04,780 --> 01:09:03,750
in the topic at that time Mary and I

1355
01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:04,790
know that for sure that

1356
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:08,450
weren't but uh what about you Stacy you

1357
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:10,370
know I was here when it happened but I

1358
01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:12,410
did not see the Phoenix lights I was not

1359
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:14,030
a witness to that I didn't even know

1360
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,650
about it until the next day when someone

1361
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:17,630
from out of state actually phoned me and

1362
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,330
said hey you guys had a UFO last night

1363
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:23,120
Emily we did so I never you know really

1364
01:09:26,860 --> 01:09:24,560
knew anything about it and I wasn't

1365
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:26,870
really researching the subject at that

1366
01:09:32,110 --> 01:09:29,900
time either but it was years later when

1367
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:32,120
I got involved with MUFON that was

1368
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:36,650
actually 2007 so since then you know we

1369
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:39,830
still have people contacting us maybe

1370
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:42,799
one person a month it will contact us

1371
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:45,290
and say I was witness to the Phoenix

1372
01:09:49,599 --> 01:09:47,390
lights but back then I just could not

1373
01:09:51,130 --> 01:09:49,609
say anything about it I felt like there

1374
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,140
was some reason that I should not say

1375
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:53,600
anything about it but now is the time I

1376
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:55,160
feel like I need to come forward and

1377
01:10:00,130 --> 01:09:58,370
tell you know my part of the story and a

1378
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:00,140
lot of people say they feel like there

1379
01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:02,090
was some kind of a numbing effect that

1380
01:10:06,220 --> 01:10:03,860
had come over them at the time and that

1381
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:06,230
they really just shouldn't speak about

1382
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:07,970
it so now we're hearing some stories

1383
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:10,370
that are still coming in and we do ask

1384
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:13,550
to report it in to MUFON just for

1385
01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:15,770
historical you know data that we could

1386
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:18,380
keep in the database you might have so

1387
01:10:23,740 --> 01:10:20,660
much information regarding that because

1388
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:23,750
think about was that 1997 right isn't

1389
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:26,390
that what that was yeah I'm so long ago

1390
01:10:31,180 --> 01:10:28,820
and for people to still come forward I

1391
01:10:33,610 --> 01:10:31,190
can understand that a lot of times

1392
01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:33,620
people will say I've had a number of

1393
01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:35,740
people say on the show even that they've

1394
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:38,900
even forgotten about or like the next

1395
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:41,150
day you know didn't want to talk about

1396
01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:45,050
it whatever the case yeah it happens a

1397
01:10:53,790 --> 01:10:49,220
lot mm-hmm and so other are they

1398
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:53,800
basically saying the same story yeah

1399
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:55,880
we're getting a lot of different things

1400
01:10:59,710 --> 01:10:57,170
from people but there's a lot of

1401
01:11:02,080 --> 01:10:59,720
similarities with all the cases there's

1402
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,090
people that saw it in all parts of the

1403
01:11:06,430 --> 01:11:04,400
state so it didn't fly just over this

1404
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,440
major metropolitan city of six million

1405
01:11:11,950 --> 01:11:09,040
people it was in the outskirts as well

1406
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:11,960
there was a lot of the tribe members up

1407
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,300
on the Navajo Nation who had been seeing

1408
01:11:16,930 --> 01:11:16,640
UFOs flying around the valley around the

1409
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:16,940
whole

1410
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:19,610
perimeter their valleys four days before

1411
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:23,090
March 13th and they just you know took

1412
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:24,770
it all in this isn't anything new to

1413
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:26,449
them though these are this they're star

1414
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:29,840
beings or star brothers they see this

1415
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:31,610
all the time they don't talk about it

1416
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:32,750
because to them it's not an

1417
01:11:36,970 --> 01:11:34,550
extraordinary event it's just normal

1418
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:36,980
stuff so but they were taking their lawn

1419
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:38,510
chairs out in their ice chests and just

1420
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:39,770
sitting out in their front yards and

1421
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:41,960
watching the show at night they were

1422
01:11:46,150 --> 01:11:43,550
seeing a lot of stuff up there on the

1423
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:46,160
rez and then there was a lot of people

1424
01:11:50,650 --> 01:11:48,830
here that saw crafts there were seven or

1425
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:50,660
eight crafts they were actually cited

1426
01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:52,910
throughout Arizona and I believe that

1427
01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:54,670
even bled over onto the border of

1428
01:11:59,260 --> 01:11:57,350
California a little bit too there were

1429
01:12:03,760 --> 01:11:59,270
sightings of different shaped craft

1430
01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:03,770
daylight and nighttime but again the one

1431
01:12:07,870 --> 01:12:05,750
that people know about is the big you

1432
01:12:11,050 --> 01:12:07,880
know boring shaped craft that came over

1433
01:12:15,070 --> 01:12:11,060
Phoenix right down the corridor straight

1434
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:15,080
across this city at nighttime and so we

1435
01:12:19,870 --> 01:12:16,790
wonder you know what were they really

1436
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,880
doing a lot of people say well you know

1437
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:21,920
they came from area 51

1438
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:24,530
you know direction so they must have

1439
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:27,050
come from there but when you look at

1440
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:28,640
that really you think okay well if it

1441
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:32,120
was some super-secret alien craft from

1442
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:35,810
area 51 did it did it get loose you know

1443
01:12:41,860 --> 01:12:37,940
did it get loose and it just all eight

1444
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:41,870
of him yeah well you know I they were

1445
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:43,370
spread out throughout the whole area

1446
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:45,320
it's a very kind of confusing thing to

1447
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:47,930
picture in your mind but talking about

1448
01:12:52,930 --> 01:12:50,690
that one craft you know it paraded

1449
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:52,940
itself basically right across the city

1450
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:56,840
so if it was something of ours again may

1451
01:13:01,330 --> 01:12:58,810
have been housed up there in that area

1452
01:13:03,130 --> 01:13:01,340
super-secret still why would we then

1453
01:13:05,140 --> 01:13:03,140
parade it over the top of this

1454
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:05,150
metropolitan city it just doesn't make a

1455
01:13:09,459 --> 01:13:05,930
lot of sense

1456
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:09,469
I think argued I've had someone argue

1457
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:11,960
that point and saying that's exactly why

1458
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:13,580
they did it because they wanted to see

1459
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:15,350
what the reaction is you know and I'm

1460
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:17,870
not saying I agree with that but it is

1461
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:22,310
interesting take on that some idea it

1462
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,510
could have been that they're trying to

1463
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:26,000
gauge our reaction and see how we felt

1464
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:29,330
about all this that it seems to me now I

1465
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:30,400
may be wrong but if

1466
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:33,250
in 1997 they had something that would do

1467
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:36,010
what that would do seems to me that it

1468
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:38,770
couldn't be held secret that long yeah

1469
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:41,440
no it would be used somehow and in

1470
01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:44,830
military or some other use rights and

1471
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:47,320
applications that I you know what that

1472
01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:51,670
thing did to fly so very low and so very

1473
01:13:58,459 --> 01:13:56,500
slow and with zero sound and also huge I

1474
01:14:02,399 --> 01:13:58,469
mean you don't even have propulsion now

1475
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:02,409
that makes zero sound all of our stuff

1476
01:14:06,959 --> 01:14:05,350
is big engines and big noise and smoke

1477
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:06,969
and fire you know we don't have anything

1478
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:10,570
that doesn't leave a trail that we know

1479
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:12,610
of anyway thank then we had the

1480
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:15,100
technology to do something like that and

1481
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:18,610
it was huge so I I think it was the real

1482
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:21,790
deal you know Peter Davenport was on the

1483
01:14:26,610 --> 01:14:24,730
show back a number of different times

1484
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:26,620
but the last time he was on he was

1485
01:14:32,340 --> 01:14:28,090
talking about the Phoenix lights because

1486
01:14:36,270 --> 01:14:32,350
he was getting a report and he someone

1487
01:14:40,620 --> 01:14:36,280
had calculated that thing was miles wide

1488
01:14:43,979 --> 01:14:40,630
not just one mile wide which is it's

1489
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:43,989
just hard to hard to understand and it

1490
01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:46,210
seems like a night of an invasion if

1491
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,460
there was actually that many craft and

1492
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:50,640
yeah it's spectacular

1493
01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:53,920
and this actually didn't go on a few

1494
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:55,960
different nights wasn't it on because

1495
01:15:01,200 --> 01:14:58,270
didn't Fife Symington actually see it

1496
01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:01,210
like on the second day or something like

1497
01:15:05,010 --> 01:15:03,159
that or am I getting that one I don't

1498
01:15:06,689 --> 01:15:05,020
think he saw the second day but he

1499
01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:06,699
didn't later came out and claimed that

1500
01:15:13,410 --> 01:15:10,739
he did see it yeah apparently next David

1501
01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:13,420
I'm not sure if I believe that story

1502
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:15,880
either I I have a problem with that and

1503
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:18,610
being that he made such a big lying deal

1504
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,000
out of it at the beginning on camera why

1505
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:23,920
would we then go and believe him saying

1506
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:25,810
oh yeah I saw it I mean maybe he just

1507
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:27,850
wanted to jump on the bandwagon and and

1508
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:31,360
improve you know his his improve himself

1509
01:15:37,530 --> 01:15:33,250
in the eyes of the public you know to

1510
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,540
maybe get some pay his penance or

1511
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:39,760
something like that but I'm not sure I

1512
01:15:44,669 --> 01:15:42,610
really believe that we have no reason to

1513
01:15:46,979 --> 01:15:44,679
after that big horrible lie he did and

1514
01:15:48,510 --> 01:15:46,989
the fun that he made of everything so it

1515
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:48,520
was really disgusting and really

1516
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:50,590
demeaning to the people who were witness

1517
01:15:57,390 --> 01:15:53,050
to that craft because that just ground

1518
01:15:59,100 --> 01:15:57,400
them down to dust I saw somewhere where

1519
01:16:01,950 --> 01:15:59,110
he apologized for that do you think it

1520
01:16:05,939 --> 01:16:01,960
wasn't a good enough apology if that's

1521
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:05,949
the case correct I think it was not good

1522
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:09,550
enough apology yeah all right yeah that

1523
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:13,510
is that is demeaning and because of so

1524
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:16,770
many people that did witness it and his

1525
01:16:22,109 --> 01:16:20,230
reasoning supposedly is that people were

1526
01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:22,119
panicking and he wanted to you know

1527
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:24,969
break the ice and you know make people

1528
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:27,489
settle down and and laugh at him instead

1529
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:29,110
but you didn't see it that way at all

1530
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:33,280
right no I I really didn't you know

1531
01:16:37,109 --> 01:16:34,510
there was people that did some really

1532
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:37,119
big work on this and Frances Barwood was

1533
01:16:41,879 --> 01:16:39,520
one of them she was the vice mayor she

1534
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:41,889
jumped in there like a bulldog and tried

1535
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,320
to get some truths out of this and it

1536
01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:46,480
just didn't really work for her they

1537
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,230
were on a campaign to belittle the whole

1538
01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:53,199
thing and bringing that giggle factor on

1539
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:54,820
it and that's exactly what they

1540
01:16:59,280 --> 01:16:56,710
accomplished I was glad she was on the

1541
01:17:00,750 --> 01:16:59,290
show here a few years ago for a short

1542
01:17:03,149 --> 01:17:00,760
time but she came on for a little while

1543
01:17:04,919 --> 01:17:03,159
it was really nice to have her on yes

1544
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,929
yeah I think she was a great advocate

1545
01:17:10,109 --> 01:17:07,360
and she I believe she's got on the phone

1546
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:10,119
and talked with a lot of people right

1547
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:13,210
yes she did she fought for that yeah

1548
01:17:18,689 --> 01:17:16,000
yeah and so that's just another one of

1549
01:17:21,629 --> 01:17:18,699
those cases that will never be solved I

1550
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,639
mean it's come and gone and I think the

1551
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:23,679
interesting aspect about it is that

1552
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:26,650
people are still calling it and saying

1553
01:17:31,169 --> 01:17:28,210
that they witnessed and not that we'll

1554
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:31,179
get any new information but people are

1555
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,480
saying that I have heard a few people

1556
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,880
have said this to me that they've seen

1557
01:17:41,540 --> 01:17:39,760
it since and they've seen it before what

1558
01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:41,550
do you know about any of that

1559
01:17:45,330 --> 01:17:43,960
well I know there have been some

1560
01:17:47,340 --> 01:17:45,340
sightings here that were on the news

1561
01:17:50,939 --> 01:17:47,350
even I think there was three different

1562
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:50,949
sightings of Phoenix lights type lights

1563
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:53,409
in the sky and I was witness to one of

1564
01:17:57,180 --> 01:17:54,130
them

1565
01:17:59,010 --> 01:17:57,190
just in 2008 my daughter and I both saw

1566
01:18:00,510 --> 01:17:59,020
this and pulled over the side of the

1567
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:00,520
road and sat there for five minutes and

1568
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:03,370
watched these lights it wasn't in the

1569
01:18:07,410 --> 01:18:06,190
direction of any one of our ranges that

1570
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:07,420
we have you know we have a lot of

1571
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:10,930
different firing ranges out here so it

1572
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,880
was I thought it was really anomalous my

1573
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:15,040
Center and watched this and reported it

1574
01:18:22,110 --> 01:18:20,560
in the MUFON course Wow did have those

1575
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:22,120
strange lights that were talked about

1576
01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:25,630
the unusual lights as well it did it

1577
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:27,430
wasn't I didn't see a boomerang shape

1578
01:18:32,370 --> 01:18:29,860
but what I saw was something on an angle

1579
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:32,380
like this and there was about five

1580
01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:36,100
lights tilted up to the sky and in an

1581
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,420
area where there was absolutely no

1582
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:39,520
reason for that so and it just sat there

1583
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:44,290
and it wasn't flares yeah about the

1584
01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:46,690
flares everyone says you know it was

1585
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:48,820
just flares I've heard that you know

1586
01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:51,010
over and over again and if you if I you

1587
01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:52,630
talk to any skeptic about it that's the

1588
01:18:59,280 --> 01:18:55,270
first thing he says and right I

1589
01:19:02,580 --> 01:18:59,290
understand that there was some talk

1590
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:02,590
about the flares that they they didn't

1591
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:04,750
happen or did happen or there wasn't a

1592
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:07,120
certain a certain group says that no it

1593
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:08,920
wasn't us do you know anything about

1594
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:12,010
that part of it well the sighting that

1595
01:19:16,290 --> 01:19:14,620
happened over Phoenix what the real deal

1596
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:16,300
that I believe was the real deal was

1597
01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:17,620
about 8:30 p.m.

1598
01:19:22,650 --> 01:19:20,500
so by 10 o'clock that night there were

1599
01:19:25,890 --> 01:19:22,660
flares drops south of here above the

1600
01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:25,900
Barry Goldwater range and this was if

1601
01:19:29,790 --> 01:19:28,060
you talk to the Air Force or whoever was

1602
01:19:33,660 --> 01:19:29,800
in charge of it it was called operation

1603
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:33,670
Snowbird so it seemed like they needed

1604
01:19:37,380 --> 01:19:35,470
to cover up with something that happened

1605
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,390
to 8:30 how are we gonna explain this

1606
01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:38,800
we've got to say it's flares or

1607
01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:40,720
something like that so they brought in a

1608
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:43,000
group that when then went up there and

1609
01:19:46,890 --> 01:19:44,770
dropped these flares so people saw them

1610
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,900
at 10 o'clock as well that's what you

1611
01:19:50,970 --> 01:19:48,880
see on most of the video footage that

1612
01:19:52,860 --> 01:19:50,980
you see on the news or any footage that

1613
01:19:55,380 --> 01:19:52,870
you see with the Phoenix lights it is

1614
01:19:57,090 --> 01:19:55,390
those flares so when people analyze that

1615
01:19:59,130 --> 01:19:57,100
footage and say oh no that those are

1616
01:20:02,760 --> 01:19:59,140
illumination flares I know they are I'm

1617
01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:02,770
a I'm a video analyst well yeah that's

1618
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:04,120
exactly what they're seeing but that

1619
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:06,190
wasn't the event that we're really

1620
01:20:10,970 --> 01:20:07,440
talking about here

1621
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:10,980
and what about the real footage someone

1622
01:20:15,620 --> 01:20:13,080
told me the other day now I don't know

1623
01:20:19,370 --> 01:20:15,630
and I'm not saying she does or does not

1624
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:19,380
but Lin can't I only has Flair footage I

1625
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:20,910
don't know if that like I said I don't

1626
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:22,110
know if that's true or not but does

1627
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:24,930
anyone actually have footage of the

1628
01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:28,890
craft before the flares I as far as I

1629
01:20:31,730 --> 01:20:30,360
know no one has footage of that

1630
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:31,740
boomerang craft as it went across the

1631
01:20:36,350 --> 01:20:34,560
sky here I mean these were the days when

1632
01:20:37,670 --> 01:20:36,360
we didn't really have cell phones like

1633
01:20:39,170 --> 01:20:37,680
people do now they can just whip

1634
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,180
something out of their pocket and film

1635
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:42,000
something back there you know it was at

1636
01:20:45,290 --> 01:20:43,560
night it was a little bit hidden unless

1637
01:20:49,250 --> 01:20:45,300
you were looking up you weren't gonna

1638
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:49,260
see it and we as far as I know there's

1639
01:20:55,940 --> 01:20:52,380
no footage especially no good footage of

1640
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:55,950
that event so that's kind of sad because

1641
01:21:02,810 --> 01:20:59,040
it's always represented like on in films

1642
01:21:07,940 --> 01:21:02,820
and on TV as what apparently is the

1643
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,950
flare lights yeah yeah but there's you

1644
01:21:12,890 --> 01:21:10,320
know we have to base our evidence off of

1645
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,900
testimony so we're not saying that it's

1646
01:21:17,810 --> 01:21:14,880
proof there's a difference saying that

1647
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:17,820
this is evidence so we've got you know

1648
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,340
over a thousand 9-1-1 calls that came in

1649
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:22,560
that night that's a lot i mean their

1650
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:24,390
books were flooded have you ever heard

1651
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,850
of anything like that before no not not

1652
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:29,040
I mean that's called that's crazy and

1653
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:30,600
then estimated that there was over

1654
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:33,300
10,000 witnesses eyewitnesses to this

1655
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,510
event so it's that testimony that we

1656
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,400
take that we can then consider evidence

1657
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:40,560
when you get that much testimony you

1658
01:21:45,140 --> 01:21:43,170
have to say this is evidence and if you

1659
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:45,150
have that many people saying the exact

1660
01:21:51,860 --> 01:21:48,210
same thing that have no idea who each

1661
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:51,870
other is or who you know you don't know

1662
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:54,060
who the other person is and they're

1663
01:21:59,600 --> 01:21:56,670
saying the exact same thing you've got

1664
01:22:03,200 --> 01:21:59,610
to take that to heart yeah definitely

1665
01:22:05,330 --> 01:22:03,210
evidence Maryann I was I when I had my

1666
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:05,340
UFO sighting which was actually kind of

1667
01:22:10,670 --> 01:22:07,620
boring compared to most UFO sightings

1668
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:10,680
but I actually ran inside the house and

1669
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:15,060
I called the was at the Carmel Police

1670
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:18,690
Department I was in California and the

1671
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:20,940
Monterey I believe was a Monterey

1672
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:24,270
police department and Wow

1673
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:26,100
I can't really remember that's terrible

1674
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:28,199
but anyway I was

1675
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,170
I sensed ridicule from the dispatcher do

1676
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:33,600
you think that and I was put on hold for

1677
01:22:41,959 --> 01:22:38,790
I think I hung up after 15 minutes do

1678
01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:41,969
you is that typical do you think or do

1679
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,630
you think there's there's more response

1680
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:47,280
today if someone would call the police

1681
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:49,290
department and do you get does the

1682
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:51,030
police department as far as you know get

1683
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:54,540
those type of calls I have not heard of

1684
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:57,780
our Police Department getting those kind

1685
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:00,960
of calls I have not heard that at all

1686
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:04,290
I think with the television shows that

1687
01:23:12,979 --> 01:23:06,570
are coming out between ancient aliens

1688
01:23:15,919 --> 01:23:12,989
disclosure the unidentified and all of

1689
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:15,929
the contact and all of the new shows

1690
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:19,050
that are coming out and the talk of the

1691
01:23:26,419 --> 01:23:23,210
UFO phenomenon that's that's I think all

1692
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,429
dispatchers are not going to go oh what

1693
01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:28,800
a crackpot and like unfortunately what

1694
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:30,510
happened to you is put you on hold for

1695
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:35,310
15 minutes I believe and I don't get to

1696
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:37,050
interact with my dispatchers that much

1697
01:23:44,419 --> 01:23:39,690
because where I work is a long ways away

1698
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:44,429
from our dispatch center but I really

1699
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,690
doubt this day and age that person is

1700
01:23:52,939 --> 01:23:51,480
gonna be ridiculed called a nut and then

1701
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,949
just put on hold and hopefully they'll

1702
01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:55,260
hang up I really doubt that will happen

1703
01:24:02,959 --> 01:23:59,130
on any police agency with the government

1704
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:02,969
coming out and all of the the Navy

1705
01:24:08,959 --> 01:24:04,290
pilots and everybody that's been

1706
01:24:10,729 --> 01:24:08,969
witnessing these strange lights I think

1707
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:10,739
people are really coming on board and

1708
01:24:17,090 --> 01:24:15,179
taking this serious so I haven't heard I

1709
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,100
don't work graveyard I hate to say it

1710
01:24:20,510 --> 01:24:18,960
but I'm in bed by 7:00 o'clock usually

1711
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:20,520
at night and up at 3 o'clock in the

1712
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:23,850
morning was i worth it ship and i have

1713
01:24:29,660 --> 01:24:26,850
not heard any of our graveyard guys

1714
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:29,670
saying hey we got a call of a lights in

1715
01:24:33,620 --> 01:24:32,940
the sky I really wish we were because I

1716
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:33,630
would love

1717
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,450
that's know you as a police officer if

1718
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:38,760
you had an awesome sighting and you

1719
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:40,770
needed to report it to someone besides

1720
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:41,400
MUFON

1721
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:43,320
who would you report it to Wow good

1722
01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:47,170
question I'll let you take over the show

1723
01:24:59,480 --> 01:24:56,720
national reporting agency police

1724
01:25:00,230 --> 01:24:59,490
department they don't investigate it no

1725
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,240
they don't

1726
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:02,880
so internet doesn't investigate studios

1727
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,260
they just go takes down your info

1728
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:06,000
there's not investigation going on there

1729
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:09,030
so would you call the Air Force Base

1730
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:12,170
closest would you call the airport tower

1731
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:15,690
would you call the FBI well I'd probably

1732
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,600
call the Air Force really would they

1733
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:21,360
give us some information ie no no they

1734
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:21,780
won't

1735
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:24,540
that's why I tried all that I was there

1736
01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:26,790
nowadays they might give us some

1737
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:30,600
information but that's true so who do

1738
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:33,090
you call I move funds probably the only

1739
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:35,640
ones and I guess can be a little bias

1740
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:37,380
here because I am a field investigator

1741
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:41,370
we do MUFON does soon as we get a case

1742
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,490
boom Jim Stacy sign it out to one of our

1743
01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:46,320
field investigators and we are on it

1744
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:49,740
yeah so is it the only people yeah we've

1745
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:51,900
got a crack team of investigators here

1746
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:54,510
in Arizona so we you know they're

1747
01:25:59,420 --> 01:25:56,670
they're drilled and they are trained and

1748
01:26:02,920 --> 01:25:59,430
we've got 17 on board right now just in

1749
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:02,930
the state of Arizona and they are good

1750
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:05,490
anyone let's talk about the sightings

1751
01:26:11,630 --> 01:26:08,520
because by the way I actually did call

1752
01:26:15,980 --> 01:26:11,640
the Air Force when I had a sighting for

1753
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:15,990
I had basically and what it was a meteor

1754
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:20,280
you know a fireball I didn't know you

1755
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:21,900
know I just I didn't know who to call

1756
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:23,340
and that's I did call the Air Force and

1757
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:24,750
I didn't get anywhere with that one

1758
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:27,300
either but anyway let's talk about the

1759
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:29,340
sightings in Arizona and are you ready

1760
01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:31,860
to take calls um we can take calls if

1761
01:26:39,020 --> 01:26:35,160
you'd like and anyone can call in and

1762
01:26:41,690 --> 01:26:39,030
just ask the ladies a question if we

1763
01:26:45,500 --> 01:26:41,700
have one and let me put that number up

1764
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,510
that number is hang on just a second I

1765
01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:47,280
had it up here

1766
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:54,240
it is 8/5 kgr a live and that number is

1767
01:27:00,800 --> 01:26:58,560
eight five five four seven two five four

1768
01:27:03,980 --> 01:27:00,810
eight three if anyone wants to call it

1769
01:27:07,210 --> 01:27:03,990
feel free to do that and I'll have that

1770
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:07,220
number right up on YouTube right now

1771
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:12,450
there it is so what are the sightings

1772
01:27:19,220 --> 01:27:16,530
like in Phoenix today I mean I know it's

1773
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:19,230
it's one of the places that there's a

1774
01:27:24,590 --> 01:27:23,190
lot going on we yeah there's a little

1775
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:24,600
bit of everything going on we've got a

1776
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:26,760
lot of sky here and a lot of people that

1777
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,030
are out doing things you know most

1778
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,760
months of the year and we've got all

1779
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:34,320
those people that are smokers and

1780
01:27:38,540 --> 01:27:36,330
they're walking their dogs - yeah those

1781
01:27:40,610 --> 01:27:38,550
are the ones that that's where nice them

1782
01:27:42,140 --> 01:27:40,620
come from right they're out having a

1783
01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:42,150
smoke or they're walking their dog or

1784
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:43,590
both and they're looking up while

1785
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:44,970
they're out there so we get a lot of

1786
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:46,650
reports in like that which we joke about

1787
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:49,800
but we're thankful for that but you know

1788
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:52,170
we do see a lot of meteors like you said

1789
01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:53,970
you saw a fireball we do have a lot of

1790
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:56,070
those reported in one of the big things

1791
01:28:01,580 --> 01:27:58,650
right now are sky lanterns the Chinese

1792
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:01,590
sky low block reports on that I hate

1793
01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:04,170
those so I mean they're beautiful to

1794
01:28:09,230 --> 01:28:06,150
watch but yeah they they mess with the

1795
01:28:12,460 --> 01:28:09,240
reporting system a lot but of course

1796
01:28:15,020 --> 01:28:12,470
then the the satellites going by the ISS

1797
01:28:16,910 --> 01:28:15,030
we have different things like that and

1798
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:16,920
then occasionally you know we well

1799
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,290
actually pretty often we have some

1800
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:21,840
abduction cases or people that think

1801
01:28:27,230 --> 01:28:23,730
they've been abducted or have seen

1802
01:28:27,860 --> 01:28:27,240
entities not many like craft that have

1803
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,870
landed

1804
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:30,000
that would be great we'd love to you

1805
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:31,440
know rush out on one of those kind of

1806
01:28:36,710 --> 01:28:34,260
cases but more of the abduction entity

1807
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:36,720
missing time yeah people are getting the

1808
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:38,490
mists of time so they're assuming they

1809
01:28:41,870 --> 01:28:39,810
possibly could have been abducted

1810
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:41,880
because they're there's a saying what

1811
01:28:47,420 --> 01:28:43,530
happened 30 minutes what happened to my

1812
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:47,430
thirty minutes 45 minutes so that's one

1813
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:49,770
of the reports we get another big one is

1814
01:28:56,210 --> 01:28:53,580
the starts especially in the wintertime

1815
01:28:57,980 --> 01:28:56,220
this the the stars are so brilliant and

1816
01:28:59,169 --> 01:28:57,990
bright and they believe that when they

1817
01:29:01,780 --> 01:28:59,179
stare up at one of

1818
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,790
that it's moving well unfortunately it's

1819
01:29:07,209 --> 01:29:04,159
there I that's kind of excellent you

1820
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,219
know a play on the on the start or maybe

1821
01:29:13,330 --> 01:29:09,440
water in the atmosphere and they believe

1822
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:13,340
that that is that's a craft that's

1823
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:16,730
moving around the sky well I see we have

1824
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:18,920
a surprise guest that is called in but

1825
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:21,920
first we have Chris who is calling in

1826
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:24,530
from New York yes you're on the air

1827
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:29,270
welcome to the show hello ladies how are

1828
01:29:35,410 --> 01:29:32,090
ya we're great great great great to hear

1829
01:29:37,450 --> 01:29:35,420
yet oh you know who Chris is so I could

1830
01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:37,460
say Chris from New York and you know who

1831
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:41,000
that new yorks kind of big you know okay

1832
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:44,870
I would like to know from the two ladies

1833
01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:48,080
what is the most memorable cake you guys

1834
01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:50,900
got going and down in Arizona that

1835
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:53,030
you've investigated where you could say

1836
01:29:58,689 --> 01:29:56,810
wow this is not only incredible but

1837
01:30:01,899 --> 01:29:58,699
there was enough evidence where you can

1838
01:30:05,709 --> 01:30:01,909
actually say without a doubt this is an

1839
01:30:09,220 --> 01:30:05,719
absolute sighting or encounter or

1840
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:09,230
abduction one of the three hmm good

1841
01:30:21,850 --> 01:30:19,340
question you stumped us Chris with Mary

1842
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:21,860
Ann where we have had you know what

1843
01:30:25,990 --> 01:30:24,170
MUFON calls a category three case which

1844
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:26,000
is one of the higher up more important

1845
01:30:30,370 --> 01:30:26,810
hurry hurry

1846
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:30,380
look into this case so I've gone with

1847
01:30:34,419 --> 01:30:31,880
Mary Ann we have kind of a team that

1848
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:34,429
goes along we've got someone our chief

1849
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:37,250
investigator who's a master videographer

1850
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:38,330
so he's the one that does all the

1851
01:30:43,209 --> 01:30:41,120
feeling we have interview that we do and

1852
01:30:47,380 --> 01:30:43,219
we've gone down to Tucson a couple of

1853
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:47,390
times on some cases where there had been

1854
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:50,960
an entity involved right yep oh yeah

1855
01:30:56,020 --> 01:30:54,409
yeah gentle definitely so that was

1856
01:30:58,360 --> 01:30:56,030
really interesting and actually Mary Ann

1857
01:30:59,890 --> 01:30:58,370
was the field investigator on that case

1858
01:31:02,610 --> 01:30:59,900
so I'm gonna let her take it from here

1859
01:31:05,470 --> 01:31:02,620
yeah let's have a deep thoughts on that

1860
01:31:08,620 --> 01:31:05,480
well the interesting thing is this

1861
01:31:11,589 --> 01:31:08,630
person came up to the valley area the

1862
01:31:14,859 --> 01:31:11,599
metro Phoenix area and

1863
01:31:18,010 --> 01:31:14,869
I guess gentlemen they were talking she

1864
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:18,020
went back down to Tucson where she lives

1865
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:22,730
and at night she believed that she is

1866
01:31:28,990 --> 01:31:27,260
being visited by an entity that she

1867
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:29,000
believes this person that lives up in

1868
01:31:35,879 --> 01:31:32,690
the Phoenix area is remotely sending

1869
01:31:38,859 --> 01:31:35,889
down to her and putting in her body

1870
01:31:41,950 --> 01:31:38,869
she's had numerous experiences I don't

1871
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:41,960
think she had an implant or anything but

1872
01:31:48,010 --> 01:31:43,520
she would just have all these field

1873
01:31:50,050 --> 01:31:48,020
actual things in counters reality she

1874
01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:50,060
said yeah everything was done remotely

1875
01:31:57,370 --> 01:31:52,760
it was really interesting on that she

1876
01:32:00,700 --> 01:31:57,380
had some drawings that she gave us when

1877
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:00,710
we did the interview it was interesting

1878
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:03,650
um being a police officer of course I

1879
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:05,770
look at body language I look at the the

1880
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:10,010
listening to the voice inflections that

1881
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:12,170
she's had what she's actually saying to

1882
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:14,090
see if she's being deceptive or not and

1883
01:32:23,410 --> 01:32:18,560
in her mind 100% this was happening to

1884
01:32:24,939 --> 01:32:23,420
her remotely the body language was it

1885
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:24,949
was interesting it was very very

1886
01:32:32,589 --> 01:32:28,790
interesting but unfortunately we didn't

1887
01:32:35,050 --> 01:32:32,599
have any evidence physical evidence that

1888
01:32:38,379 --> 01:32:35,060
this was actually happening to her just

1889
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:38,389
unfortunately her her story on what

1890
01:32:44,260 --> 01:32:40,159
happened Wow interesting

1891
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:44,270
hey Kris story yeah I was just gonna say

1892
01:32:52,270 --> 01:32:45,770
thank you for the call but go ahead

1893
01:32:55,660 --> 01:32:52,280
answer interesting thanks for the call

1894
01:32:58,569 --> 01:32:55,670
Kris thank you good night

1895
01:33:02,520 --> 01:32:58,579
I got whoops I think I cut them off now

1896
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:02,530
we have the one-and-only I think Mark

1897
01:33:10,510 --> 01:33:07,210
Connecticut with a son mark with a C

1898
01:33:14,370 --> 01:33:10,520
mark D Antonio on their door yeah yeah

1899
01:33:16,990 --> 01:33:14,380
he's the only Mart in Connecticut yes

1900
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,000
how are you marking I was calling

1901
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:20,000
because I'm good man hey hey Marianne

1902
01:33:25,450 --> 01:33:24,260
how are you I'm just I'm just trying I

1903
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:25,460
had to call because I want

1904
01:33:30,459 --> 01:33:27,920
you mentioned to everybody so all could

1905
01:33:32,260 --> 01:33:30,469
hear it that I believe the Phoenix model

1906
01:33:34,330 --> 01:33:32,270
for how they run MUFON is probably the

1907
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:34,340
best in the entire country and Stacey

1908
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:36,130
knows that's true I told her that before

1909
01:33:44,290 --> 01:33:42,080
Wow training well you know that the

1910
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:44,300
people get trained when they code us say

1911
01:33:49,810 --> 01:33:46,010
a MUFON bootcamp that's run by Stacey

1912
01:33:51,220 --> 01:33:49,820
and Jim I mean and now we've got some

1913
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:51,230
new faces that are going to be at the

1914
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:52,910
MUFON boot camp coming up so I hope you

1915
01:33:55,630 --> 01:33:54,080
get a chance to talk about that if you

1916
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:55,640
didn't already I'm sorry if I stepped on

1917
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:01,040
that oh I can't wait I'll be there

1918
01:34:07,450 --> 01:34:05,450
Thursday yeah we've got the 2019 MUFON

1919
01:34:09,190 --> 01:34:07,460
international boot camp that's being

1920
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:09,200
sponsored by Phoenix no fondants can be

1921
01:34:13,420 --> 01:34:11,330
held this weekend Friday Saturday and

1922
01:34:16,060 --> 01:34:13,430
Sunday November 8th 9th and 10th and

1923
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:16,070
market so mark you're gonna be there

1924
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,210
yeah yeah mark will be yeah yeah a lot

1925
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:22,880
of stuff and he's gonna hold a talk on

1926
01:34:26,770 --> 01:34:24,650
astronomy and he's also gonna follow

1927
01:34:29,740 --> 01:34:26,780
that up with a sky watch that night and

1928
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:29,750
he'll show us the real deal through some

1929
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:31,760
telescopes hey Mark wow I have you on

1930
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:33,920
the line since you're the video analyst

1931
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:37,330
forever and an image analyst for MUFON

1932
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:41,210
have you ever seen other video other

1933
01:34:47,410 --> 01:34:45,340
than the flares at the Phoenix lights

1934
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:47,420
you know when you're mentioned that

1935
01:34:50,770 --> 01:34:47,810
earlier

1936
01:34:52,990 --> 01:34:50,780
my first thought was I've been seeking

1937
01:34:55,870 --> 01:34:53,000
that that footage as well if any such

1938
01:34:58,420 --> 01:34:55,880
footage exists but uh you know it really

1939
01:34:59,709 --> 01:34:58,430
caught people off guard they didn't

1940
01:35:01,120 --> 01:34:59,719
expect the theater people are used to

1941
01:35:02,979 --> 01:35:01,130
seeing things on the goldwater train so

1942
01:35:05,050 --> 01:35:02,989
let's put it this way okay Phoenix has a

1943
01:35:07,810 --> 01:35:05,060
history of seeing parachute flares and

1944
01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:07,820
people that see them get used to them

1945
01:35:10,930 --> 01:35:09,140
they know what they look like they know

1946
01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:10,940
where they are typically so they

1947
01:35:15,010 --> 01:35:12,350
understand what they supposed to look

1948
01:35:17,650 --> 01:35:15,020
like this event was different

1949
01:35:19,390 --> 01:35:17,660
yes there was a flare event yes okay get

1950
01:35:22,780 --> 01:35:19,400
that audio system there was a flare

1951
01:35:25,420 --> 01:35:22,790
event okay this was not that this was

1952
01:35:27,610 --> 01:35:25,430
not just around the Goldwater range and

1953
01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:27,620
the other areas that people have seen

1954
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:29,480
them okay this was something that

1955
01:35:35,050 --> 01:35:31,489
occurred in multiple locations in

1956
01:35:36,820 --> 01:35:35,060
Arizona and if there was a flight path a

1957
01:35:38,830 --> 01:35:36,830
potential flight path that something

1958
01:35:39,540 --> 01:35:38,840
could have taken I think that makes all

1959
01:35:43,090 --> 01:35:39,550
the difference

1960
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:43,100
and and frankly the jury is still out

1961
01:35:46,150 --> 01:35:44,480
for me I used to think it was just a

1962
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:46,160
flare event yeah I got arrogant about it

1963
01:35:52,030 --> 01:35:49,280
sadness flares but you know what you

1964
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:52,040
have to really pay attention to all the

1965
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:53,330
many reports and when you look at all

1966
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:54,770
the reports that came in and Marianne

1967
01:35:59,290 --> 01:35:56,960
I'll tell you about the number of 9-1-1

1968
01:36:02,470 --> 01:35:59,300
calls Stacey knows she's feel that so

1969
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:02,480
many calls the newspapers have clearly

1970
01:36:07,150 --> 01:36:04,610
the people who live in that area don't

1971
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:07,160
call in about flares they're used to

1972
01:36:10,930 --> 01:36:08,870
them they see them all the time I saw my

1973
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,940
own when I was out there in the desert

1974
01:36:15,220 --> 01:36:12,800
you know doing photography I actually

1975
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:15,230
saw a flare event look my own

1976
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:20,090
quote-unquote Phoenix light and were

1977
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:23,510
they in formation to mark like uh uh uh

1978
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,130
Ana for me yeah I mean they are always

1979
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:28,400
like well yeah they're being released

1980
01:36:32,979 --> 01:36:31,070
from a plane you know so they they come

1981
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,989
out in a linear line and the first one

1982
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:34,400
to come out is the first one to go out

1983
01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:36,410
if it's a parachute flare and it drops

1984
01:36:39,850 --> 01:36:38,510
down slowly and everybody out there

1985
01:36:41,260 --> 01:36:39,860
knows what they look like they know the

1986
01:36:42,459 --> 01:36:41,270
unearthly orange glow that they have

1987
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:42,469
mm-hmm

1988
01:36:50,260 --> 01:36:46,880
and and so I think clearly you know you

1989
01:36:52,510 --> 01:36:50,270
get safety on a job with guys like you

1990
01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:52,520
know Dave Mayo that works for Mary Ann

1991
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:54,440
and Jim and you have all these other

1992
01:36:59,290 --> 01:36:56,690
people that recognize what flares are

1993
01:37:01,540 --> 01:36:59,300
they know what they are and you can't

1994
01:37:03,459 --> 01:37:01,550
negate that you know I know what the

1995
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:03,469
mistake I made early on with this case I

1996
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:06,710
just said well everybody's wrong what do

1997
01:37:10,630 --> 01:37:08,390
I know you know that was like a stupid

1998
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:10,640
thing to say but you know nowadays I

1999
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:13,730
realize that's not yeah that's not all

2000
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:14,930
the evidence there is the evidence

2001
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:17,090
really goes beyond the one little piece

2002
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:19,310
of something you see which is usually

2003
01:37:24,459 --> 01:37:22,370
the flare of it right right that's what

2004
01:37:26,740 --> 01:37:24,469
I'm familiar with well mark I actually

2005
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:26,750
had fun hanging out with you a couple

2006
01:37:32,830 --> 01:37:28,330
weeks ago that was a lot of fun

2007
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:32,840
it was nice no yeah yeah you got here

2008
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:34,850
you got a few Marianne there that

2009
01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:36,350
there's a hot shot subpoena group all

2010
01:37:39,610 --> 01:37:38,390
right now yeah I'm glad you mentioned

2011
01:37:41,500 --> 01:37:39,620
that about the boot camp we will talk

2012
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,510
about that in just a minute mark it's

2013
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:43,840
always a pleasure

2014
01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:47,690
this show as well you take care and Mark

2015
01:37:52,959 --> 01:37:51,070
just give yourself a plug Sunday night's

2016
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:52,969
your show yeah yeah

2017
01:37:59,560 --> 01:37:55,610
a gr a Sunday night 8:00 to 10:00 Sunday

2018
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,570
night KJ radio.com got your radio 2

2019
01:38:05,410 --> 01:38:01,840
hours of astronomy and extraterrestrial

2020
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:05,420
life we talk about it all fun thanks

2021
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:09,489
excellent thanks mark you take care all

2022
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:12,010
right mark see you Thursday

2023
01:38:17,530 --> 01:38:14,960
yeah that's great all right now we have

2024
01:38:19,570 --> 01:38:17,540
another caller and you probably know who

2025
01:38:26,650 --> 01:38:19,580
he is but I don't really know do you

2026
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,660
happen to know Iran from Minnesota hey

2027
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:28,239
Ron how you doing welcome to the show

2028
01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:31,370
all right thank you for calling thank

2029
01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:33,320
you for doing showing great so thank you

2030
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:36,199
and thank you Mary Ann and your other

2031
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:37,910
guests they forgot her name wedding

2032
01:38:44,729 --> 01:38:42,800
sorry the question I have for all of you

2033
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:44,739
and this for everyone in the community

2034
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:48,800
what is or how has your level of

2035
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:53,000
skepticism change centigrade and since

2036
01:39:01,000 --> 01:38:57,770
your original sighting or your initial

2037
01:39:05,229 --> 01:39:01,010
sighting has your skepticism changed or

2038
01:39:09,310 --> 01:39:05,239
is it still okay are you still somewhat

2039
01:39:15,580 --> 01:39:09,320
skeptical in some of the areas of the

2040
01:39:20,220 --> 01:39:15,590
UFO world anyone could take that yeah

2041
01:39:23,290 --> 01:39:20,230
and that's any one question is my family

2042
01:39:26,020 --> 01:39:23,300
no no he pointed out no just with my few

2043
01:39:28,270 --> 01:39:26,030
years home personally are you are you

2044
01:39:33,070 --> 01:39:28,280
more skeptical or less skeptical or do

2045
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:33,080
you have solid continuity with what you

2046
01:39:39,939 --> 01:39:36,290
believe as what you think our flying

2047
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:39,949
saucer you opposed her 100% I believe

2048
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:42,290
even though all my life I have never

2049
01:39:48,010 --> 01:39:44,780
seen anything even before I got into

2050
01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:48,020
MUFON and became a field investigator

2051
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:53,420
any bit before 2014 I believe with all

2052
01:39:58,060 --> 01:39:55,610
due respect to everybody out in though

2053
01:40:02,080 --> 01:39:58,070
in the radio world is that you would be

2054
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:02,090
a fool not to believe that we are not

2055
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:04,150
alone in this universe

2056
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:07,130
there I would say many

2057
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:14,000
many different planets different I don't

2058
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:15,590
know I'm gonna say people with I know

2059
01:40:23,709 --> 01:40:18,370
it's they're probably not people but

2060
01:40:26,649 --> 01:40:23,719
there are plenty of different worlds out

2061
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:26,659
there if if I've never changed my

2062
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:28,850
skeptic even though I wasn't involved in

2063
01:40:36,340 --> 01:40:32,480
the UFO community before 2014 I believe

2064
01:40:39,070 --> 01:40:36,350
we are not alone out there real quick

2065
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:39,080
story about that is that when Mark

2066
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:41,210
Dantonio was out tuning the boot camp

2067
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:43,370
last year one of the things he taught us

2068
01:40:49,540 --> 01:40:46,730
was if you look at Cassiopeia the Big W

2069
01:40:52,540 --> 01:40:49,550
and put your fist up straight up ahead

2070
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:52,550
of you it just in your fist area is

2071
01:41:00,820 --> 01:40:56,210
forty thousand exoplanets forty thousand

2072
01:41:02,860 --> 01:41:00,830
in M W of Cassiopeia and it's like wow

2073
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:02,870
and that's just the smallest tiniest

2074
01:41:11,110 --> 01:41:08,239
Illyria but again I think is no I am

2075
01:41:15,340 --> 01:41:11,120
still as strong if not stronger today in

2076
01:41:17,979 --> 01:41:15,350
my belief that yes there are there are

2077
01:41:19,810 --> 01:41:17,989
other worlds out there you know thank

2078
01:41:22,810 --> 01:41:19,820
you thank you good you know anything to

2079
01:41:24,610 --> 01:41:22,820
add to that Stacey at all um well I

2080
01:41:26,530 --> 01:41:24,620
didn't I believe the same thing I mean

2081
01:41:28,930 --> 01:41:26,540
it would be extremely arrogant of us to

2082
01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:28,940
think that we are it out here in this

2083
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:30,860
universe that and I like that

2084
01:41:40,419 --> 01:41:34,159
and God help us if we are because we're

2085
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:40,429
we're failing so out there but you know

2086
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:43,010
it is good we all have a healthy sense

2087
01:41:47,500 --> 01:41:45,290
of skepticism to begin with

2088
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:47,510
and that is a good thing you you can't

2089
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:49,310
just go out there believing every single

2090
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:52,330
thing that you see or you hear yes so

2091
01:41:57,610 --> 01:41:55,040
when you're in this arena quite a while

2092
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:57,620
you seem to develop what's called a

2093
01:42:02,740 --> 01:42:00,800
meter and and hear certain

2094
01:42:04,689 --> 01:42:02,750
things and and know certain things from

2095
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:04,699
people's stories I'm not sure if we

2096
01:42:14,110 --> 01:42:09,650
could say on this show I'm I'm

2097
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:14,120
feeling that's okay oh I put in my two

2098
01:42:20,930 --> 01:42:19,850
cents to run and that is you look at you

2099
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:20,940
know you look at

2100
01:42:27,140 --> 01:42:23,640
life fights to be here and we have

2101
01:42:30,850 --> 01:42:27,150
examples of that that they're finding in

2102
01:42:34,430 --> 01:42:30,860
you know acidic places and and dark

2103
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:34,440
areas were maybe a photon a light or two

2104
01:42:39,050 --> 01:42:36,810
can hit the the ocean floor that type of

2105
01:42:42,170 --> 01:42:39,060
thing under the ice they're finding life

2106
01:42:43,940 --> 01:42:42,180
life fights to be here and whether you

2107
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:43,950
know it'll evolved into something

2108
01:42:50,420 --> 01:42:47,010
intelligent but most likely it possibly

2109
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:50,430
has many many times over I truly believe

2110
01:42:55,210 --> 01:42:52,170
that there must be something out there

2111
01:42:57,860 --> 01:42:55,220
thank you anyway thanks for the call

2112
01:43:00,980 --> 01:42:57,870
thank you break oh all right all right

2113
01:43:02,450 --> 01:43:00,990
thank you all right so we can we can

2114
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:02,460
still take one more call if someone

2115
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:03,840
would like to call in that number is

2116
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:06,870
eight five five four seven two five four

2117
01:43:10,910 --> 01:43:08,490
eight three thanks to race over there

2118
01:43:13,370 --> 01:43:10,920
for screening the calls and let's talk

2119
01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:13,380
about the boot camp because I I think I

2120
01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:16,500
did hear mark talk about that at one

2121
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:19,620
point but let's talk about that how what

2122
01:43:22,820 --> 01:43:21,450
is that exactly what do you train and

2123
01:43:24,530 --> 01:43:22,830
how do you train is it like a real boot

2124
01:43:26,180 --> 01:43:24,540
camp you gotta get up in the morning and

2125
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:26,190
do push-ups and all that and run ten

2126
01:43:32,780 --> 01:43:26,550
miles

2127
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:32,790
oh that's good cuz I'd be out try to

2128
01:43:36,620 --> 01:43:34,500
plan everything that we do here with a

2129
01:43:38,330 --> 01:43:36,630
good element of fun because if you don't

2130
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:38,340
have the fun in it you're not enjoying

2131
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:40,770
it you're not gonna stick with it yes so

2132
01:43:44,570 --> 01:43:42,930
we've got planned for this weekend is

2133
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:44,580
Friday night we've got just a fun little

2134
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:47,190
icebreaker meet-and-greet thing at a fun

2135
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:48,810
little bar and grill right there next

2136
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:51,270
door the hotel and then the next day

2137
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,340
we've got four hours of classroom work

2138
01:43:57,980 --> 01:43:55,920
where we're going to be doing advanced

2139
01:44:00,320 --> 01:43:57,990
interviewing techniques and that class

2140
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:00,330
will be instructed by officers Marianne

2141
01:44:06,110 --> 01:44:04,290
Rob and Dave rich we've got a class

2142
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:06,120
that's called healthy versus unhealthy

2143
01:44:11,150 --> 01:44:08,760
mental states and that is being taught

2144
01:44:14,210 --> 01:44:11,160
by the director of psychiatry at the VA

2145
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:14,220
hospital we have a couple of really

2146
01:44:18,170 --> 01:44:16,110
awesome cases that two of our field

2147
01:44:20,180 --> 01:44:18,180
investigators are going to go through we

2148
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:20,190
have someone else instructing on what

2149
01:44:26,090 --> 01:44:23,480
the ERT does and the ERT is MUFON

2150
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:26,100
experience or research team and when

2151
01:44:30,290 --> 01:44:27,870
someone has an experience that just

2152
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:30,300
rocks their world and they cannot handle

2153
01:44:33,660 --> 01:44:31,800
it emotionally they need someone to talk

2154
01:44:36,810 --> 01:44:33,670
to help them through their

2155
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:36,820
the ERT has counselors and psychologists

2156
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:39,370
and hypno people that can really help

2157
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:41,530
these witnesses through that so we've

2158
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:43,690
got someone from the ERT team that's

2159
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,210
talking about that again we'll have Mark

2160
01:44:50,610 --> 01:44:48,159
Dantonio giving us an astronomy lesson

2161
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:50,620
we will have our chief investigator here

2162
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:52,810
in Arizona Dennis for airman he's going

2163
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:54,580
to be handling the photo and video

2164
01:44:59,700 --> 01:44:57,730
analysis class and then in the afternoon

2165
01:45:01,050 --> 01:44:59,710
it's just the morning classroom sessions

2166
01:45:03,060 --> 01:45:01,060
then we're gonna go out to the desert

2167
01:45:05,610 --> 01:45:03,070
both afternoon Saturday and Sunday and

2168
01:45:07,709 --> 01:45:05,620
we've got the Arizona Navajo Rangers out

2169
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:07,719
there teaching us forensic fieldwork for

2170
01:45:14,340 --> 01:45:10,650
five hours so this is just a top-notch

2171
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:14,350
lineup stuff you can't get anywhere else

2172
01:45:19,860 --> 01:45:17,440
and it's gonna be great fun we did this

2173
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,870
last year we're kind of following the

2174
01:45:24,330 --> 01:45:22,000
same plan against again this year and

2175
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,340
it's just gonna be awesome are there any

2176
01:45:30,180 --> 01:45:26,560
other states that either want to follow

2177
01:45:31,950 --> 01:45:30,190
this model or that are looking into

2178
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:31,960
following this model I mean it sounds

2179
01:45:36,030 --> 01:45:34,000
really interesting oh and this isn't

2180
01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:36,040
just a state thing from Arizona move on

2181
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:37,420
we just happen to be putting it on

2182
01:45:40,850 --> 01:45:39,130
because we have a lot of the talent here

2183
01:45:43,649 --> 01:45:40,860
within our group to do that oh this is

2184
01:45:45,780 --> 01:45:43,659
national cars and we'll be here he's the

2185
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:45,790
executive drink mufon he'll be here as

2186
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:47,650
well just to have fun

2187
01:45:50,459 --> 01:45:49,210
Janna's not talking he's just coming

2188
01:45:52,530 --> 01:45:50,469
along to see what we're doing and have

2189
01:45:54,510 --> 01:45:52,540
fun but this is representing all of

2190
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:54,520
MUFON international and some great white

2191
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:57,040
in ization so we have people coming from

2192
01:46:01,140 --> 01:45:58,719
all over the United States and from

2193
01:46:03,020 --> 01:46:01,150
Canada on this one last year we got some

2194
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:03,030
people signed up from the UK and

2195
01:46:07,380 --> 01:46:05,050
Australia in different places like that

2196
01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:07,390
so it's really a you know an

2197
01:46:11,850 --> 01:46:10,600
international thing and yes I think that

2198
01:46:13,229 --> 01:46:11,860
other states would probably love to be

2199
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:13,239
doing this and I don't know what MUFON

2200
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,090
has in store for the future boot camps

2201
01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:18,159
this is just the second one that we've

2202
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:21,070
had in a row here in Arizona so we hope

2203
01:46:25,110 --> 01:46:23,170
to see them continue and I know there's

2204
01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:25,120
a lot of talent throughout all of MUFON

2205
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:27,100
so I'm hoping that maybe they can take

2206
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:29,170
this on the road somewhere as well well

2207
01:46:36,030 --> 01:46:33,370
I I had no idea but and I'm glad that

2208
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:36,040
you know the MUFON international is

2209
01:46:39,689 --> 01:46:38,290
doing doing this and because that was

2210
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:39,699
gonna be one of the questions it sounds

2211
01:46:43,950 --> 01:46:41,230
so interesting but how could you

2212
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:43,960
possibly get funding in the state you

2213
01:46:46,490 --> 01:46:45,940
know at a state level to do something

2214
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:46,500
like this

2215
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:48,810
so this is a clown it's a lot of

2216
01:46:53,420 --> 01:46:51,330
creative resources and we have a lot of

2217
01:46:57,010 --> 01:46:53,430
people here that have this talent just

2218
01:46:59,420 --> 01:46:57,020
within our own area so we tried to keep

2219
01:47:01,550 --> 01:46:59,430
using our people so that we don't have

2220
01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:01,560
to pay airfare for a lot of other

2221
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,000
experts to come in from other places

2222
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:05,520
when we've got it right here among us so

2223
01:47:09,470 --> 01:47:07,290
we're using our resources here and

2224
01:47:11,780 --> 01:47:09,480
saving MUFON a lot of money and spinning

2225
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:11,790
and doing this so the funding is just

2226
01:47:15,260 --> 01:47:13,860
happening you know Phoenix MUFON is

2227
01:47:16,850 --> 01:47:15,270
coming up with some of the funding and

2228
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:16,860
move on and internationals coming up

2229
01:47:21,650 --> 01:47:19,760
with most of it and it's just working

2230
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,660
that's excellent

2231
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:24,000
Stacey you and I spoke we did a sound

2232
01:47:31,190 --> 01:47:27,600
test last night and I told you and I'm

2233
01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:31,200
gonna just tell this story real quickly

2234
01:47:35,180 --> 01:47:33,540
because we only have the only oh boy I

2235
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:35,190
think we're I don't think we have time

2236
01:47:39,980 --> 01:47:37,410
we only have a minute but I had

2237
01:47:42,260 --> 01:47:39,990
functioned to you I had mentioned to you

2238
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:42,270
about a sighting that someone I talked

2239
01:47:46,610 --> 01:47:43,770
to at the casino out there in Phoenix

2240
01:47:50,810 --> 01:47:46,620
where the UFO Congress was where they

2241
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:50,820
saw this black triangular object go over

2242
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:53,730
their car they hit the gas and it was a

2243
01:47:57,050 --> 01:47:55,290
passenger in the car that was telling me

2244
01:47:58,910 --> 01:47:57,060
this story and she didn't even know the

2245
01:48:00,650 --> 01:47:58,920
UFO event was going on there

2246
01:48:03,770 --> 01:48:00,660
she just started talking about it and

2247
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:03,780
that when they they parked I think she

2248
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:06,090
said to him 9 or 10 miles later this big

2249
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:08,490
huge owl came right at them and you said

2250
01:48:13,730 --> 01:48:10,730
that there was some type of object that

2251
01:48:15,110 --> 01:48:13,740
has seen a lot out there and I think

2252
01:48:17,690 --> 01:48:15,120
we're gonna have to wrap this up real

2253
01:48:19,940 --> 01:48:17,700
quick for less than a minute okay well I

2254
01:48:21,740 --> 01:48:19,950
know that there's a couple of screen

2255
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,750
events that happen to people when maybe

2256
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:23,040
they're seeing aliens or

2257
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:25,410
extraterrestrials and they might be

2258
01:48:29,330 --> 01:48:27,090
screened as something like a deer or an

2259
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:29,340
album those are two almost screen

2260
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:31,890
animals that portray themselves it might

2261
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:35,250
be because of the big eyes yeah but we

2262
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:37,410
had an owl event ourselves on the way

2263
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:39,060
out to one of our Phoenix MUFON sky

2264
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:41,580
watches so it's not unheard of

2265
01:48:45,380 --> 01:48:44,250
Wow so we are totally out of time I'm so

2266
01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:45,390
sorry to do this to you but I'm gonna

2267
01:48:49,070 --> 01:48:47,340
have to cut you short thank you so much

2268
01:48:51,290 --> 01:48:49,080
both of you it was just wonderful I

2269
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:51,300
really appreciate it and now I hope to

2270
01:48:56,210 --> 01:48:53,370
talk to you soon thank you okay thank

2271
01:48:58,850 --> 01:48:56,220
you so much bye bye okay everyone I have

2272
01:49:00,230 --> 01:48:58,860
to run I'm sorry that's it next week

2273
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:00,240
we'll be back with press

2274
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:01,410
and we're going to be talking about

2275
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:04,650
schoolyard sightings so thanks so much

2276
01:49:13,870 --> 01:49:06,900
and remember to keep your eyes to the